Donald Trump has launched a fresh tirade on both the judge and his chief court clerk in his New York civil fraud trial just hours after a gag order banning him from criticising court personnel was paused.
Judge Arthur Engoron had issued the gag order in the case after the former president made a series of false and disparaging remarks about his chief clerk of court Allison Greenfield both to reporters outside the courtroom and on his Truth Social account.
Mr Trump had already violated the gag order twice and incurred $15,000 in fines as a result.
Anyone else would be in jail.
He knows he can’t win, so he is trying to provoke the judge. The judge is smart enough to realize that and he isn’t going to be manipulated. He’s going to let Trump hang himself and dissolve his company and expose him as the fraud he is.
He knows he can’t win
Sure about that? He’s still not in jail or officially disqualified from the presidency.
Yeah, Trump is still a threat to our democracy, he can still win the Presidency.
If something happens to the clerk, the trial is tainted and he gets a do-over/delay.
I think he’s that sociopathic.
But he isn’t anybody else, he is the ex president. So what’s the point of saying this?
There is absolutely zero precedent for any of this
The point is everyone should be treated equally. It should not matter for this, if someone is a beggar, fraud or a former president (or in this case all of it). And this is not just a US thing. It’s an ethics thing. It should be like that eveywhere.
everyone should not be treated equally.
People entrusted to service the public good, either as police, or municiple/state/government officials, (and other people in positions of power over others, such as doctors/etc, but thats another topic) are people that are given elevated positions, and such should be held to a higher standard for violating the trust and authority they’ve been entrusted with, and should face far more severe punishments than a kid getting caught with weed in his pocket.
“Ex-president” aka citizen.
So people in power should be held to a lower standard than the rest of us?
That’s a bad fucking idea.
The Supreme Court would like a word.
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“But he said things I wanted to hear”
One more reason he should serve as example. Nobody should be above the law
Hes not avoiding jail cause hes an ex-president.
hes avoiding jail for being a rich white conservative.
If this was a democrat accused of doing what he’d done, they’d be in prison waiting for trial due the preponderance of evidence, or at least home arrest and a severe order against talking about this shit online.
and the blue voting public frothing if he got home arrest over jail.
Trump flouts the courts authority, and the way of law, in a way only rich white conservatives can historically get away with. To the glory and admiration of his base.
Thats the point of saying it.
Good point, he should be held to a higher standard and his penalties doubled at a minimum
But he isn’t anybody else, he is the ex president. So what’s the point of saying this?
But we’re not a nation of laws, we’re a nation of men. So what’s the point of saying this?
There’s loads of precedent. Who his former employer was is irrelevant. If he broke a law, any law, precedent is what has happened when others have broken those same laws.
Honestly the only surprising thing gleaned here is the notion that the gag order was actually working in the first place.
It was. The point was to protect the staff, and the less he can talk about them, the safer they were (his base have the attention span of gnats).
But on Thursday, Associate Justice David Friedman of the state’s intermediate appeals court agreed to temporarily lift the gag order, “considering the constitutional and statutory rights at issue”.
Now, Mr Trump is able to speak freely about court staff while the longer appeals process plays out.
Justice Friedman, you done fucked up. Are you an idiot? Jesus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Friedman_(judge)
Apparently he’s about 73, so maybe the whole stochastic terrorism thing trump does via social media is really foreign to him. Still - perhaps some of the legal aids in his office could, y’know, asplain.
“Surely, this man has some shred of human decency.” —David Friedman’s inner monologue
Narrator: He did not.
Comey: " ‘Will nobody rid me of this meddlesome priest?’ "
Friedman: “But what do priests have to do with this?” 🤔
Maybe not. During the appeals process, the prosecution can point out exactly what happened when the appeal was temporarily lifted. It will help give the appellate judge cover when he reinstates the order.
And let’s be clear, Trump wins either way. Either the appeal works, his gag order is permanently lifted, and he can continue to publicly assault the institutions trying to hold him to account. Or the gag order gets upheld, which can feed his persecution complex and the narrative that everyone is out to get him.
(I mean, there are lots of people who are out to get him, but their job is to go after criminals, and he is one…)
I’m sure her family will take great comfort after her death/injury knowing that the burnt orange shitgibbon was effectively, practically, given a pass on things that would put everyone else in the US under a jail.
Friedman is obviously on the take
Why was it lifted? Good behavior? The judge should reinstate it immediately.
It wasn’t really lifted, it was stayed by an appellate judge while Trump’s appeal plays out.
Complicit appellate judge.
Appellate judge.
His Ridiculous and Unconstitutional Gag Order, not allowing me to defend myself against him and his politically biased and out of control, Trump Hating Clerk
But you defend yourself in the court room, not outside of it
That’s how it’s done for most people. This man has clearly lived in the court of public opinion his entire life.
And like it or not that’s the only place where he’s very good at it. So of course anything else is unfair.
Who could have predicted this? 🤯
The reason Trump got so fucked in this trial was because his lawyers neglected to ask for a jury trial like he usually does, now he’s actually bound by a judge who understands the law rather than jurors he can emotionally manipulate.
It seems like Trump is trying to build a case in the court of public opinion, but not a legally valid one, that this is just persecution because of personal and political reasons. And he’s going to do it by making the judge hate him, in hopes that he can overturn his fuck up. I just don’t think that," the judge treated me unfairly because I insulted his staff" is a very compelling argument.
Frankly, if he was anyone else he would probably be thrown in prison for contempt of court by now.
I think he did it on purpose, because he knew he’d loose, and now he gets a media spectacle.
Lose*
Yea loose rhymes with noose.
And lose rhymes with no-
Er.
Let me get back to you on that.
Ooze
Yeah, that works because of the ‘z’ I would say.
I’m having trouble finding another word that rhymes but still uses an ‘s’ and not a ‘z’.
I guess there’s ‘choose,’ but visually it looks closer to ‘loose’. Which would just confuse the people we’re trying to give clarity to.
This is why English used to have the f shaped s which let the reader know how it was supposed to be pronounced.
Edit: also muse, fuse, cues, skews English is just fuckin weird
Is it time for the $100,000 fine followed by the $1 million fine
They should inflate the fine to the same percentage that the trump family inflated the value of his assets.
Wouldn’t at all surprise me if the judge imposes a huge punitive fine at the end of all this and explains to Trump that he had nobody to blame but himself. If he’d been respectful to the court then punitive fine would have been $0, but because of his inability to keep his trap shut the punitive fine is $$$$$.
That’s like fining me 20 cents.
Not if you keep raising it until it hurts. Establishing a pattern of fines that raises itself over repeated violations shows it’s not being raised for no reason. He keeps violating it. It keeps going up but until it actually hurts him after a million you make it 10 million after 10 million, you make it 100 million and if trump knows the next time is going to be more than he can afford because he doesn’t actually have that money. Then he might shut his fucking mouth.
But we all know that isn’t going to happen.
The American justice system, neutered by a greasy Cheeto-dusted dipshit.
Its the money. Money neuters justice and Trump is proving you can do literally everything else wrong, but with enough money, justice will pause for you. If he was smart enough to shut up when it’s beneficial, he’d probably have a measurable chance to evade justice completely.
So if the appeals court needs one reason to reinstate the gag order with a vengeance, this should be it.
This man is not qualified for the presidency of the United States.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4591133
Page 17:
V. The persons who framed Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment regarded the President of the United States as an officer of the United States
The President of the United States was among the officials who took the oath to the Constitution that under Section Three triggered disqualification for participating in an insurrection. As noted in the previous section, the persons responsible for the Fourteenth Amendment sought to bar from present and future office all persons who betrayed their constitutional oath. “All of us understanding the meaning of the third section,” Senator John Sherman of Ohio stated, “those men who have once taken an oath of office to support the Constitution of the United States and have Fourteenth Amendment distinguished between the presidential oath mandated by Article II and violated that oath in spirit by taking up arms against the Government of the United States are to be deprived for a time at least of holding office.” No member of the Congress that drafted the the oath of office for other federal and state officers mandated by Article VI. Both were oaths to support the Constitution. Senator Garrett Davis of Kentucky saw no legal difference between the constitutional requirement that “all officers, both Federal and State, should take an oath to support” the Constitution and the constitutional requirement that the president “take an oath, to the best of his ability to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.” Senator James Doolittle of Wisconsin declared that Congress need not pass laws requiring presidents to swear to support the Constitution because that “oath is specified in the constitution.”
In fact, the exact question of whether the disqualification from public office covered the Presidency came up at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was being drafted: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/lsb/lsb10569
Specifically:
One scholar notes that the drafting history of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment suggests that the office of the President is covered:
During the debate on Section Three, one Senator asked why ex-Confederates “may be elected President or Vice President of the United States, and why did you all omit to exclude them? I do not understand them to be excluded from the privilege of holding the two highest offices in the gift of the nation.” Another Senator replied that the lack of specific language on the Presidency and Vice- Presidency was irrelevant: “Let me call the Senator’s attention to the words ‘or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States.’”
I’ll highlight that last bit again:
Another Senator replied that the lack of specific language on the Presidency and Vice- Presidency was irrelevant: “Let me call the Senator’s attention to the words ‘or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States.’”
That is from this paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3748639
Some people seem to have a lot of trouble with figuring out what “or” means, in a list of things.
Why is this guy not behind bars already and he’s allowed to run for president is beyond me
You’re guilty all the same
Too sick to be ashamed
You want to point your finger
But there’s no one else to blame
You’re guilty all the same
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Trump on the stand, being fined for talking about the clerk: I wasn’t talking about the clerk, I was talking about Michael Cohen. … Gag order gets lifted. So anyway, what I was saying about the clerk…
