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That would be a charge back for me. Let them explain to the credit card companies how its not fraud.
The reason for kicking out people was obligations the employer holds for personnel (securities and support staff). They needed to send the employees home because it was getting too late in the night and their shifts were ending.
How tf FOM did not see this coming is unbelievable. It’s literally advertised as a night race, they should have known that there is a possibility for delays. I have never seen anything like this in Europe, where most countries arguably have stronger wodker protection laws. How did they not have another team on hold that could take on those responsibilities?
“everybody go home. we’re too greedy to pay overtime… and too cheap to have enough workers vetted and on the payroll, ready-to-work if and when needed.”
Closing the stands under those circumstances is understandable, albeit reflects poorly on the organization and planning.
Refusing to issue a refund afterwards is completely unreasonable.
You would think a class action lawsuit is possible.
They didn’t plan on the ground force from the cars sucking up the water valve covers in the street of the race track which requires asphalt repairs so I don’t think we can expect them to plan on delays for staffing either. I have to think they were already maxed here as it was.
I’m surprised to read they are running cars at 230 am to 4am. I understand the time constraints but that racket at the middle of the night. Good thing it’s in Vegas I guess.
As for why they water pipes under roads a part of me doesn’t get for disruptions to traffic. I would have thought these would be better run under sidewalks and the edges of roads but I’m a layman in these areas. I suspect there’s good reasons for this?
I understand that they didnt expect this particular incident. But sessions being delayed isnt some magical new thing. It happens all the time. They shouldn’t have organized the personnel in a way that they were already maxed out by default.
But only hiring barely enough people in order to maximize profits is the American Way! Why hire 2 people if you can overwork and underpay 1?
The reason for kicking out people was obligations the employer holds for personnel (securities and support staff). They needed to send the employees home because it was getting too late in the night and their shifts were ending.
Unions basically. In America Unions have the power. If they had gone home late last night, there would be a labour war going on in relation to Sunday
The unions are far more powerful in Europe.
Unions requiring reasonable hours doesn’t explain why they had no backup
It’s the employers responsibility to get more shifts to cover the whole event… Not the unions
Cost effectiveness
I was there. Such a shitshow. My family and I had tickets in the stands at T5. We did leave the fan areas around 12:30a because music was stopping, food was stopping, and it was getting cold just sitting/standing around doing nothing, having heard FP2 was tentatively scheduled for 2:00a. We went into a casino to get coffee and warm up, expecting to go back. But then around 1:45a we noticed everyone was walking away from the Sphere, instead of walking towards it.
Like I get FP1 getting cancelled. I can look past that. Sometimes unexpected things happen. But running a delayed FP2, while kicking everyone out or not allowing them back in isn’t as easily forgiven. We spent $1000 for 7min of racing. I flew into town for this (luckily my family lives here, so had a place to stay). I think total, with drinks, ubers, tickets, airplane tickets, it was like $1500. For 7min of FP1.
As FP2 was starting, we were on the public sidewalks after T12, so we did hear the cars – could barely see since the fences were covered – going by flat-out, which was incredible to hear. But that’s not the experience we paid for.
I also understand the labor laws or contracts or whatever, to help protect the service workers. But FOM should’ve planned for that. Maybe if they didn’t run the sessions so late, this wouldn’t have turned out this way. They could’ve started FP1 at 6pm, when the sun was already below the horizon. Woulda looked just as good for TV imo.
I also felt bad for the drivers, teams, marshals, broadcasters…anyone who was out there. That was a long ass day. Colossal fuckup, to say the least.
Hosting an F1 race is sometimes thought to be good for your international image, but doing it like this just makes you look like a police state.
What in the ever living fuck does this have to do with the country and it being a police state? America fucking sucks but what the fuck are you on?
In case you are blind and the images have no alt text, the linked article prominently features images of people being “removed” from the grandstands by men in police uniform.
What a fucking shitshow. Can we just bring all the races to Europe so we won’t have this? Holy fuck…
It’s not about the venue, it’s about greed and corruption in the FIA
The organising of this race is all Liberty/F1, FIA just enforce the rules, right?
True - I always group them together in my head and that’s not the case. Good call out!
The venue is also shit.
FIA is quick on fines against teams and drivers if rules/contracts are broken. Is there any possibility of fines against the Las Vegas track management or so?
Afaik the Las Vegas track is managed by FOM. So FIA would need to fine FOM. It’s possible, but unlikely.
@bwoah This weekend has been a joke so far
All we need now is for the race to suck. If that happens, maybe racing in Vegas is just cursed.
