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    Oh yes the Chinese Communist Party, the cake and eat it too party, where it somehow is able to access global markets and benefit from international trade rules, freely able to meddle in international affairs while embellishing its own interests.

    It’s mind blowing how the desperation of late stage capitalism allows the CCP to operate within these frameworks.

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      In this specific case, Apple axed the show because Stewart was going to talk about China’s less savory behavior.

      The show had been announced to have a third season, and then suddenly when Stewart was gearing up to tackle some of the issues around China, Stewart was instantly fired.

      And this isn’t the first time China had demanded the firing, or public apology, of a prominent American who is even slightly critical of their government.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hollywood-corporations-apologize-to-china

      https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-brief-history-of-corporate-apologies-to-china-2019-10-09

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          Imagine caring about something so minor, just a mass of angry men clutching their pearls like they’re having a period bahahaha

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            That’s an insult to those who power through their periods with as much grace and professionalism as possible. A better insult would revolve around their skin deep policies and exceptionally thin skin.

            Or maybe you could make fun of their lack of media savvy. They could have coopted the image of a fluffy, caring Winnie Pooh as a positive thing for Xi, but instead they ban all mention of it. Xi has little in common with Pooh, so most of the comedy comes from the censorship itself. It’s like how Obama killed the, “thanks Obama,” meme by using it, and how Democrats defused the Dark Brandon meme while Biden embraced it (he uses it too much at this point).

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          The only thing that can move faster than light is a capitalist shifting between “We’re a family here” and “It’s just business, don’t take it personally”

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      Corporations would do literally anything for their “mah quarterly profits and mah shareholders”.

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        Seriously, people need to keep this in their mind at all times. Every single publicly traded company in the world would happily throw a bus full of children into a volcano if it got them a fraction of a point in next quarter’s numbers.

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          Yet people still defend the system that enables these greedy fucks, as if greedy fucks don’t exist and corporations will toootally work in a logical manner…

          Peoples’ hubris toward the evils of their neighbors will be the death of humanity. Someone who fires a bunch of people to save money isn’t a “boss making hard decisions” They’re an asshole throwing people away to protect profit.

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            Yet people still defend the system that enables these greedy fucks

            Greed is an innate part of the human condition. There is NO system that can be created and managed by Humans that will not eventually fall victim too, and likely fall because of, greed.

            Greed is built into people and will eventually topple all systems of economics or government, NONE of them are immune.

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              Just because greed exists does not mean it needs to be systemically enabled.

              In fact, it means the exact opposite: It is a problem that we’ll always have to deal with and cannot ignore.

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                Just because greed exists does not mean it needs to be systemically enabled.

                In any system maintained by humans greed will eventually become systemically enabled. Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Monarchy…it doesn’t matter.

                When there is power and money to be had the people who love those things will ceaselessly flock to it and no Government in the history of humanity has ever managed to stop those people from eventually taking over.

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                  You’re both right.

                  Greed and psychopathy will float to the top of every system, because the greediest and most psychopathic will inevitably see the system as a game to be won.

                  Ideally we shun it, but the “useful psychopath” is helpful to our own greed.

                  If only we could prevent it, but I don’t have that answer.

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              Preventive maintenance is a thing. As long as we keep wanting to work towards a better system we will move towards a better system. You say it will eventually fall. How far is eventually? I bet we could push it out til at least the heat death of the universe if we tried doing something other than robbing one-another.

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                Preventive maintenance is a thing.

                That would work if the majority of people stayed interested…forever. This has literally never happened in recorded history.

                How far is eventually?

                It varies, longest in History was 1,500 years (Roman Empire) but as information accelerates so to does greed. The US is looking like it may be done around the 250 year mark but a lot of that was when information and society moved much slower. Younger Techno-Nations are declining at nearly the same rate and are unlikely to make even make that much.

                I bet we could push it out til at least the heat death of the universe if we tried doing something other than robbing one-another.

                That’s the rub. There has always been and will always be enough people robbing each other to break a system, any system. Its only a matter of time and I seriously think the amount of time it takes has a lot do with the pace of society and speed of information.

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                  People have been interested in civilization since the dawn of civilization, dude. Even when it collapses it regrows. We’re naturally social creatures and ideas don’t die. Even in times of decline people aspire to do better.

                  Medieval European peasants knew what Roman aqueducts were for. They knew that civilization had fallen, but they made a new one and eventually it regrew to the point of the previous Roman empire, and then beyond, through ups and downs, until now.

                  Not everyone remains interested the whole time, but it does carry forward.

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      I’m confused, you use the term late stage capitalism, but you don’t see that China is clearly not the worst offender of meddling in intl. affairs to suit their own interests. Like, America has even more access to global markets than China does, and also meddles way harder. Literally overthrowing governments, rewriting laws, or just straight up bombing to dust levels of meddling.

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          Explain why it’s bad argument in this situation. To me it seems nonsensical to criticize a country that isn’t remotely as bad as the worst people doing what you accuse them of.

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              It’s not whataboutism if the what about subject is literally worse on this specific topic. In order to be deflection, you need to be changing the subject.

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                It is exactly whataboutism. You are shifting the focus of the discussion by saying “what about america? They are worse.” The subject was not america being shit (it is) it was about China.

                You are aware that more than one country is capable of being shit at the same time?

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                  Say some country was denying Jews the right to vote, and we were living in 1940-1945. If you were criticizing that country, would it be whataboutism for me to tell you to shut up about them, because Germany is a far bigger problem for Jews? No, because in comparison to Nazi Germany, denying the right to vote is irrelevant. In terms of level of meddling in intl affairs, I do not think China is a relevant player in the arena when considering the top offender.

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      This is an amateur take a best, but a strong unified China has historically always been the economic power house of the world. They’re so big they can trade with everyone, and since everyone wants to trade with them, everyone has an interest in not starting conflicts. When china prospers it’s usually a pretty good time for the wold. I, for one, welcome our Chinese overlords.

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    I’d be more impressed if Congress was under scrutiny for their ties to China. And Russia. And Saudi Arabia.

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      There’s an aspect to Jon they like… Or at least use to their own advantage.

      Jon tends to be pretty hard on China. Remember the controversy over his off-the-cuff comments as Colbert’s guest about covid and China?

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      Honestly, it’s not even about the show - it’s the fact that Apple, more or less, is basically censoring stuff that badmouths China.

      If Apple can do it to somebody like Jon Stewart, then what other companies are willing to do this - or even already have done?

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        Youtube has a well established history of doing it. Pre-Elon Twitter did it quite a bit and X (Elon Twitter) does even more of it.

        Western Media has been bent and twisted for years by Pro-China propaganda and Pro-China censorship.

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          Media manipulation bad. But how about hot cross buns as a food to celebrate how Jewish people murdered some guy who was just an innocent stoner (Jesus)?

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        I get that China interference is a big deal, but actually dealing with it means getting serious and banning Tik Tok to start.

        This is the smallest of potatoes. An excuse to make noise without doing anything.

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      As an aside, your name is weirdly relevant. I read it and thought for a second that you made the account specifically for this comment, but nope, it seems to be a coincidence.