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      If you’ve paid attention at all to what he’s done domestically over the past 3 years, you’d know it’s not at all a farce. I’ll vote for Biden any day, but especially when his opposition is a Republican.

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          The different is that Trump and his baffoons talk big but don’t know how to actually do the things they say.

          Biden knows how to effectively do the things he does, which from what I have seen is mostly making half assed “attempts” to do good things and letting them die at the first sign of opposition to create the illusion that he isn’t evil for his neo-progressive kool aid drinkers, but being really effective about keeping a genocide going.

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      But who would you vote for if it was him vs Trump (which it likely will be)? Republicans will vote for Trump as a cohesive unit. We don’t have the luxury of voting for who we want in the general if we want to keep enjoying democracy.

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        But who would you vote for if it was him vs Trump (which it likely will be)? Republicans will vote for Trump as a cohesive unit.

        Sounds like Biden has work to do.

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          If the people in this post are any indication, he definitely does. Uniting the Left is like herding cats.

          With the Right, all you gotta do is give them a minority to be angry at, and they’ll mash that R button until their fingers bleed.

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            Uniting the Left is like herding cats.

            Maybe they should start using catnip instead of the spray bottle.

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        I guess we’ll just sit around and hope that if we just keep voting for garbage candidates, a good one will just come along. What a good system.

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          Y’all are enjoying this? I’m not.

          No. But I enjoy this more than fascism, and likely all of those things you listed will get measurably worse under a second term of Trump armed with Project 2025.

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              But hopefully a revolution will come of it

              Hopefully? What a batshit insane notion. “Yeah, I hope my friends and family die in a civil war fighting fascists.” We don’t have to go to war, but if people act like they’re entitled to the “perfect” candidate earning their vote and are unwilling to make compromises, then Trump and the Heritage Foundation have already won.

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              Kinda fucking funny that a guy who is whining about “genocide enabling” wants a bunch of innocent civilians slaughtered in some fucked up idea of a “revolution”

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        Just like in H. W. Bush v Dukakis, liberals will refuse to vote for someone who does not align with their ideals (and there isn’t a much bigger thing that liberals do not tolerate than genocide).

        This will lead to a HORRIBLE period of time. The Republicans will do what the Republicans do, and it will be because the Democrats just cant help themselves and NEED to fuck it up.

        Then, after America has gone through another hellish term or 3 of Republicans, the Democrats will finally feel forced to gasp represent their constituents again, they will produce an actual decent candidate, and we will have a repeat of the Clinton/Gore years.

        This has all happened before. Not even that long ago. Nearly play by play.

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          Your proposed scenario will never happen. Have you even read Project 2025’s goals? If they get their guy in office, there won’t be a “hellish term or three of Republicans,” followed by Democrats waking up, because by then, it will be too late, and your vote literally won’t matter anymore.

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      You’re gonna catch a lot of shit from people who don’t like the idea that this is the political calculus of many people whose votes Democrats consider themselves entitled to receive, regardless of what positions Democrats hold and what policies they implement.

      These people have never considered for a fraction of an instant that votes are something politicians earn, not demand, and are insulted by the vile blasphemy that “not Trump, I guess” isn’t some people’s exclusive criterion for evaluating a candidate.

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        This is a blatant straw man. You’re labelling me “these people” and saying I “never considered for a fraction of an instant that votes are something politicians earn,” etc., which is an utter falsehood. I’m entirely aware of Biden’s record, the legislation he has supported, the legislation he’s been able to get passed, and his foreign policy. No, I do not agree with him 100% of the time, but yes, I agree with him probably 80% of the time, and hell yes he’s earned my vote. If anything, he’s overperformed from my expectations when he took office.

        Fuck your “holier than thou” attitude like you have access to some special information. You’re a fucking fool on the internet like the rest of us. Have some goddamn humility

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          This is a blatant straw man.

          It’s an accurate prediction. He has caught a lot of shit.

          You’re labelling me

          If you don’t consider yourself entitled to dictate how others vote, then I’m not talking about you.

          If you do, then I absolutely am talking about you in perfectly accurate terms. And considering that a hit dog will holler…

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      You think voting for Trump or not voting will help any of that? Think again. It will make it way worse.