No, I’m not talking about meta discussions like the ones in this community. I think the value and necessity of those posts is pretty apparent.
I’ve been noticing something this morning while browsing All on the instance: i am seeing are a lot of SFW celebrity posts occurring on the sever, along with a number of communities dedicated to an individual celebrity.
For example, I just saw a post to a Gillian Anderson community with a “headshot” type pic of her in a what I would call a regular dress.
What does the general community think of this type of content being posted to lemmynsfw?
My first feeling is “eh, whatever, live and let live. If you don’t like it, block the community/poster so you don’t see it.” But at the same time, I just blocked several communities and I’m still seeing more… it just seems weird to post a bunch of SFW content to an NSFW dedicated instance.
As an aside, I realize I can just browse Subscribed, but I like browsing All to discover new communities.
My personal take is if it’s not NSFW it shouldn’t be on an explicitly NSFW instance. Plenty of instances allow non-NSFW communities, and allow NSFW posts in those communities if they are tagged as such. Lemmy servers aren’t free, real people are running this and off-brand/topic posts are a wasteful drain on resources, even if they’re minor. I’m fine with blocking all the NSFW communities I don’t want to see (lotta gay porn stuff I’m not into for example, but totally fine if others dig it), but headshots of celebrities from red carpet events and similar posts/communities just shouldn’t be on the instance. Put it on an SFW instance, more people will see it, and if people want to see it here it will still show up as long as they’re federated.
I agree also. Though it would mean most of those celeb communities would not be here (since it’s very unlikely most celebs really have any true/real NSFW content publicly available)
So what do you do with communities like gone mild, gentlemanboners, cosplay, or, to walk the line even closer /c/feet? The majority of the content on the latter one is purely pictures of feet, nothing else, would you ban all that as well then? Where do you draw the line? How much clothes does someone need to wear to be considered nsfw? Or is it the pose/actions? Is there some clothing/lewd action ratio that demarcates the boundary between sfw and nsfw?
Not to sound glib, but I would lean back on what is the commonly accepted notion of what makes some content be considered “NSFW” such that you wouldn’t display it at a “workplace” as a screensaver. It’s like the old saying about what is “porn”. And I totally realize we could next go down the rabbithole and start debating about what is the line that defines a “workplace” 😉
Using only images of feet as one example, why would normal pictures of feet in daily life context be considered NSFW? And why would that community want to be considered as such in the first place? Otoh if the same feet is depicted as engaged in the act of giving a footjob, or inserted in a vagina, then that content/context becomes NSFW right? I wouldn’t consider two pairs of feet simply touching to be NSFW, but the same two pair squishing in scat would definitely be NSFW.
When I created !squatwearingheels@lemmynsfw.com, and !squattinggirls@lemmynsfw.com, I originally had the clause that nudity is not required, but I’ve since changed the description to require “some nudity” which is now what I consider the difference/line. [Addition: example of blurry line - see comment in https://lemmynsfw.com/post/86287?scrollToComments=true]
I do realize there are infinite number of context variations that can blur the lines.
But you have to admit that even that workplace line is blurry at best right? A celeb in bikini, on the catwalk with massive cleavage, on a red carpet with a slightly risqué dress,… To me as long as there’s people finding it sexy, attractive, arousing… I’d say it fits in this instance’s theme. Everything else is purely up to taste and you’ve got the block community and subscription functionalities to tailor the available content to your taste. You’re already using those since I cannot imagine anyone existing who is into each and every single fetish that’s available on this instance.
Now if its the amount of communities that you have a problem with, then it’s a different discussion. Then I’d say it becomes more so about what we consider to be be spam creation of communities and what not, because mind you, for each community dedicated to a specific celeb, I can guarantee you there’ll be one for an adult actress as well.
In short, I think the discussion is much more nuanced than saying we’re just gonna blanket x or Y content because some people don’t consider it nsfw enough :)
Yup, I did already say we’ll start debating about workplace definition 😉, and the discussions are/will be very nuanced based on context.
I have no issues with comms for adult/porn models here as they are by intention NSFW, right?. The discussion here imo is mainly about communities that are overwhelmly SFW focused and the “costs” associated with hosting/maintaining them on a clearly NSFW instance.
As I said elsewhere, the “cost” argument doesn’t hold in my opinion. If I with my lemmynsfw account subscribe to /c/tractors on a completely different instance, that entire community’s content gets pulled to this instance anyways, so whether or not the community is created here or elsewhere, if there’s at least 1 user on this instance subscribed to it, it’ll create exactly the same cost on this instance, that’s just how the fediverse works…
I definitely agree that the lines are blurry and imperfect. You’re never going to be able to create a set of hard and fast rules that tell you what is SFW and NSFW.
In my opinion, the line should probably be more NSFW than “would you display it as a screensaver on your work computer”. Taking the term NSFW literally, your definition there is great. But I think the meaning of NSFW in communities such as this leans toward the pornographic and content guidelines should mirror that usage of “NSFW”.
A few examples of why I think the literal NSFW definition isn’t a good way to determine appropriate content for this instance:
I think most people agree that these things should not be shown on a work computer. But I also don’t think they are the type of content that should be hosted here. Not that I have any say over what is and is not appropriate for the instance. For all know, they did intend this instance to capture broader NSFW content than sexual/pornographic stuff.