Very interesting article about how world rugby is forcing full tracking on all players, increasing the potential of completely killing the game (privacy issues aside).

  • TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz
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    1 year ago

    The problem is that what they’ve done to address concussions is shown to not work. Even folks up north chipping the SH for being too lenient and not causing players to change behaviour must admit that as many NH players get carded as SH. Their focus has been on penalising when things go wrong (ambulance at the bottom of the cliff) rather than making changes to try to ensure things don’t got wrong as often.

    Setting aside the privacy issues for now, the mouth guards should help measure how many concussive impacts are nothing to do being tackled high. I think this is good because there’s all sorts of other problems around whiplash, hitting the ground, being the tackler, etc etc which just aren’t really measured at the moment.

    But I suspect the bigger and more impactful changes are coming around changing laws to define a legal tackle height. Too much of the carding at the moment comes under the foul play rules, and mostly around dangerous/recklessness. These rules don’t really define what a good tackle is, more just some vague thoughts about what a bad tackle is and the interpretation puts all the onus on the tackler and very little on the ball carrier.

    What we are seeing moves towards now is a much clearer definition on what WR thinks a good legal tackle is, and penalising when players go outside of those bounds. That’s great but it still doesn’t really account for situations like Sam Cane’s where its a microsecond adjustment and he had neither time to make a good tackle, nor time to get out of the way.

    In terms of player safety there’s lots of other things I’d like to see WR take a serious look at:

    • Competing in the air is inherently dangerous, particularly when the kicking team’s chases are taught to hare after the ball and deliberately disrupt in the air to try to cause messy ball. The safety answer is to only allow the defending team to jump, and penalise any interference within a couple of metres of them. If things don’t change, its only a matter of time before an incident like Arendse-Barrett last year kills a player.
    • Jackalling has to be looked at. Its the main cause of players throwing themselves into rucks at speed and rolling defenders out of the way etc. You could go the other way and penalise the attacking team even more but that is a net negative for rugby as it will make it even more likely teams won’t want the ball. Remove the jackal and the ruck should become a lot safer for everyone.
    • The bench, particularly as used by Rassie, has gotten stupid and means bigger players hitting each other harder for a greater proportion of the 80 minute game. We need to de-power the bench in order to shift the balance back to fitness rather than size & power.
      • TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz
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        1 year ago

        So the thing about the jackal is that under the current laws it can already be interpreted as illegal as soon as a defender makes contact with them.

        15.2 A ruck is formed when at least one player from each team are in contact, on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground. 15.3 Players involved in all stages of the ruck must have their heads and shoulders no lower than their hips. Sanction: Free-kick.

        In the past when i’ve raised this while participating in the old sub-reddit, people would argue that at that point while the jackal could be illegal that there was a prior offence of the tackled player holding on anyway so its fine to keep allowing the jackal, because of

        *15.11 Once a ruck has formed, no player may handle the ball unless they were able to get their hands on the ball before the ruck formed and stay on their feet. *

        I think they’re ignoring that the principle of law 14 Tackle is: The actions of players involved in the tackle must ensure a fair contest and allow the ball to be available for play immediately. at least in terms of the responsibilities of the tacklers, particularly

        *Tacklers must: * 14.5a Immediately release the ball and the ball-carrier after both players go to ground. 14.5b Immediately move away from the tackled player and from the ball or get up. 14.5d Allow the tackled player to release or play the ball. 14.5e Allow the tackled player to move away from the ball. Sanction: Penalty.

        A & d get policed fairly well now, but b is an absolute lottery and e is completely ignored by both attack & defence. B is especially bad when there are more than two tacklers. The way its interpreted is that so long as the tackler is on the defenders side of the ruck they don’t have to move. But the law suggests that is irrelevant, they still need to move away form the tackled player and ball. Imagine if they did how in the way they would be for a lot of jackals!

        But I would argue that it is better for Rugby to interpret 15.3 first and penalise the jackal on body height anyway; both because it would nerf the jackal a lot, plus make the game safer for everyone. I also think that would encourage teams to play with the ball more, which would mean the ball is in play longer and aerobically test defence more. Which in turn would hopefully encourage teams to select lighter, fitter players and hopefully with less mass impacting in tackles that would help with safety.

        There is certainly a question about how teams contest and get the ball back from the jackal; but I’m not as worried about that. I think what we’ve seen through the tighter games in the World Cup is that the threat of the jackal wins the ball through the attacking team kicking the ball away as much as an actual turnover anyway. And if attacking teams aren’t able to breach the gainline it will still be very rare for them to play > 15 phases without wanting to kick or without a knock-on or forward pass.

        I have thoughts on the bench etc as well; but this is already long enough! :)

          • TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz
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            1 year ago

            The jackal can stay, it just needs to be de-favoured; first responsibility should be on defenders getting out of the way so that the ball carrier can then do their responsibilities (place the ball & move out of the way. Then the jackal has a window until a ruck forms to pick the ball up.