• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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    Why does knowing what AR stands for mean you understand gun safety? Do they have a corporate model vocabulary lesson in gun safety classes?

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      It would indicate you have done passing research on what you are talking about. If people are messing up basic terminology I would be concerned they have a poor understanding of the subject. The same way Trump spoke about stuff with incorrect language showed his ignorance.

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        Why do you need to research the name of a specific gun to understand gun safety? How does not knowing what the initials of one single gun stand for show you have a poor understanding of the subject? Do you have to be familiar with every gun out there to understand gun safety? In that case, don’t let anyone buy a gun until they’ve used every model and knows each one intimately. Otherwise it won’t be safe.

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          It’s one of the most prolific gun platforms ever. It would be like trying to regulate trucks without knowing the F-150 is made by Ford. It shows ignorance of the subject, which isn’t what you want if you’re looking to express an opinion. It’s not that deep.

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            You are moving the goalposts. We weren’t talking about regulation. We were talking about gun safety.

            The claim you made was this:

            I would be concerned for your knowledge of gun safety if you didn’t know this too. She’s a lunatic, but she has a point.

            Can you please explain to me how gun safety was taught before the AR-15 was invented despite the lack of this necessary component?

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              No you’re not. This entire post is about wanting to ban the AR-15. Aka regulate it. Stop trying to mask your intentions it doesn’t do you any favors. We all know what they are.

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                Again, regulation is not the same as banning. I have no idea why you would think it is. And this conversation you butted into was about gun safety. I literally pasted what started the conversation.

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                  So how would you regulate “assault weapons”? The last bill to do so, was literally called the assault weapons BAN…

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                    Oh, you’re done lying and insulting? You want to have a discussion now? Because if you want me to answer that or any other question, at the very least you could do was own your bullshit lie when you claimed I thought the AR-15 was more dangerous than other guns or your other bullshit lie that I wanted to ban all guns… and failing that, you could apologize for saying I supported the fucking Taliban.

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                It’s strange that you demand such precision regarding gun specific terminology but your rigorousness disappears immediately when it comes to using terms like regulate and ban correctly. Perhaps until you can use those terms correctly you should remove yourself from any topics concerning them.

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          It’s not about just the abbreviation, it’s the fact that you and a ton of others in here think the AR-15 is somehow more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle. When it’s not. The amount of people killed each year with all rifles combined, is 1/3rd the number of people killed with knives and 1/2 of those killed with feet/hands, which shows you’re not here for a solution to people dying, you’re here to ban something you have no clue about because the media and politicians tell you it’s scary.

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            it’s the fact that you and a ton of others in here think the AR-15 is somehow more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle.

            Please provide evidence that I think that the AR-15 is more dangerous than any other semi automatic rifle.

            Unless that was a lie, of course. I’m sure if it wasn’t a lie, you can prove that I think that.

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              That’s you’re starting point…you literally said regulate all guns…aka I want them all banned. And while you may have not said it specifically in this thread, you’re still wanting to regulate something you don’t understand.

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                Got it. You lied.

                You also seem very confused about what regulation means.

                I want all cars regulated. I want every car to be registered and every driver to be licensed after being tested for competence. Does that mean I want to ban cars?

                Do you really think ‘regulation’ is a synonym for ‘ban?’

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                  In the gun world yes. Find me a place that didn’t impose registering firearms that didn’t end up taking the mass majority of them.

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                    Sure, I’ll be happy to do that as soon as you own up to your lies and apologize for saying I supported the Taliban.

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            The AR15 was designed to be the most effective general case weapon of war to be carried by soldiers. If it didn’t have measurable advantage over other rifles why did the US military adopt the M-16? Select fire is far from the only characteristic that contributes to the efficient lethality of that design.

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              They don’t use the AR-15 in the military… it’s still a plastic fucking semi automatic rifle …just like my wood ones that are semi auto…there is no difference. It’s like trying to ban a car because it’s got a spoiler and painted red…

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                If it didn’t have measurable advantage over other rifles why did the US military adopt the M-16? The M-16 was derived from the AR-15. The semi-auto characteristic is just one aspect of the rifle. No one, pro-gun, anti-gun, or anywhere in between takes the opinion “all semi-auto rifles are the same” seriously, because its ridiculously reductive and just not true. Its weight, length, ease of use, magazine capacity, and ammo type all significantly factor into its performance. Are you trying to be honest or are you emotionally blinded on this topic?