• Grammaton Cleric@lemmy.world
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    Yeah, but Android doesn’t make me constantly enter my password to do basic things. Also, Apple takes away a lot of control from their consumers.

    I’ll take the phone that isn’t dumbed down tyvm

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      Ideally you shouldn’t have to compromise. GrapheneOS without Google is an option.

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          You’ve apparently missed the point. Graphene exists solely to harden security and privacy by disabling the googly parts of the phone. That is clearly what was meant by “without Google”

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            And how do you know there aren’t hardware level trackers in Google’s chips? The kind Graphene can’t override? Do you trust Google not to do that?

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              Because this will get .001% more total data considering the low number of GrapheneOS users. Besides, this is highly illegal and would result in significant public outcry and legal consequences far greater in cost than any potential benefits.

              And if you cannot trust Google with their processors, you cannot trust any other company either.

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                Because all of that has stopped OEMs in the past…oh wait! No it hasn’t (looks at Lenovo)

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              The people who install Graphene and other modified Android variants on their devices are a lot more likely to be monitoring packets sent from their devices.

              Believe me, we’d know the same day an android device that had been de-Googled called home. That would make worldwide news.

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              Ultimately you can’t know everything. At some point you have to trust someone. The graphene people seem to know they are doing imo. Ultimately everything is flawed, you just have to know when to say "good enough ". The pixel hardware is pretty great imo and they are often cheap, so I think it’s worth considering them given that they can be hardened in various ways.

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              Yeah I trust them not to do it. Cause when it was found out not if when it would hurt them.

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            I want to like Lineage, but while it doesn’t come with extra bloat, the system itself doesn’t do a whole lot of degoogling core services

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        GrapheneOS still takes away a bit of control though. Mainly in that it’s locked down for privacy in some ways that you can’t disable

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          @soulfirethewolf @ijeff it’s biggest lockdown is the security model, which even though it won’t disallow you from doing anything you couldn’t otherwise do (if you’re motivated enough), it draws the line of tradeoffs to make. I gave up rooting and a lot of stuff (like contactless payments) for it’s security and stability, and I’m fine with that, but you should ask yourself if that’s worth it for you. If you have to go out of your way to break the security model, even once, then it isn’t for you.