The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023.

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023.

  • galloog1@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    Based on those definitions, what Israel went through is considered genocide against them and multiple times including the recent attacks as they absolutely targeted Israeli civilians.

    This is an overly broad definition and includes literally every war ever. Air strikes against seemingly military targets that end up not being military targets does not constitute genocide. Not by a long shot.

    Your UN article simply states that there is suffering. Name a single war where that wasn’t the case. Is all war genocide? Your other articles simply define that they are at war in response to a massive terrorist attack. That is not genocide by this definition as it does not define the difference between a justified defensive war and a genocide.

    Israel was at war the second they were attacked. War is not pretty. It is not genocide. You would be far better off scoping your argument outside of the confines of the current conflict as they were attacked by an elected organization by Palestine.

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
      13·
      1 year ago

      Based on those definitions, what Israel went through is considered genocide against them and multiple times including the recent attacks as they absolutely targeted Israeli civilians.

      Yes.

      This is an overly broad definition and includes literally every war ever.

      Yes, that’s literally what the Geneva Conventions is about.

      Air strikes against seemingly military targets that end up not being military targets does not constitute genocide. Not by a long shot.

      One casualty, no. Twenty casualty, no, but that might be a war crime. Eight thousands casualty and rising, including hostages, that is a large group. It include targeting refugee camp, place of worship that house refugees, hospital, evacuation route, that is genocide.

      Your UN article simply states that there is suffering. Name a single war where that wasn’t the case. Is all war genocide?

      Terrible argument because that’s not how genocide is defined, 0 point for the mental gymnastic. Genocide is a motive, not all war is genocide. But yes, a lot of war tend to consist the element of genocide because of one stronger group trying to eliminate a weaker group, including Israel - Palestine conflict, where Israel has been oppressing Palestine for decades.

      Your other articles simply define that they are at war in response to a massive terrorist attack.

      Apply the context of the article to the definition of genocide.

      That is not genocide by this definition as it does not define the difference between a justified defensive war and a genocide.

      Genocide did not define whether it’s defensive nor offensive, nor the Geneva Conventions give a shit about how you think it should be. As it stand, being the defensive party does not give them any right to commit the atrocity they’re currently doing.

      Israel was at war the second they were attacked. War is not pretty. It is not genocide.

      Using your line of thinking, Hamas is not genocidal group because war is not pretty.

      You would be far better off scoping your argument outside of the confines of the current conflict as they were attacked by an elected organization by Palestine.

      And in return, they murdered 8000 non-combatant of the people that they successfully dehumanised, just like all the conflict they have with Palestine for decades.

      Holocaust Denial Trope also detailed on what people do to deny the holocaust, but lets swap some letter:

      • Details of the Holocaust Palestinian Genocide Have Been Exaggerated
      • Witness Testimony is Fabricated or Inaccurate
      • Jews Hamas Invented the Holocaust Palestinian Genocide for Financial and Political Gain
      • The Holocaust Palestinian Genocide is a Zionist Hamas Political Tool
      • Jews Palestinian are Responsible for Their Own Persecution

      Wouldn’t be too far off from what is happening today.