Sure, and my mechanic was working full time from his yard before buying a real garage with a lift. Just because some people go through the trouble of doing it doesn’t mean it’s the best tool for the job.
I’m not sure I understand how your analogy fits. There’s no heavy lifting involved. 🙂 Everything works and it’s ready-made – otherwise people wouldn’t use it at all. There are also lots of distros specifically tailored to audio and studio work. Naturally, there’s some things to learn but you also had to learn things when you got into audio and presumably you keep up with the industry so there isn’t a big difference.
Check out /r/linuxaudio, lots of resources in the sidebar and very helpful community.
Exactly my point, that’s just not true. There’s always some people who will use the worse tool instead of switching to the better tool (out of principle mostly), it doesn’t mean the tool is great or as good as the alternative, it just means the person doesn’t mind making their life harder than it needs to be.
Just like there were people insisting on doing graphical work on Windows back when Apple was miles ahead in that field or some places run Windows Server instead of using Linux and so on.
Heck, you’re talking about using specific distros for music stuff… If you’re going to dual boot or have a specific OS just for that, why not use the OS that has the better tools that are the industry standard?
There are tools that work on any OS. Audio processing has been developing at an even pace on all main OS (Windows, Mac, Linux). At this point it’s a matter of what flow works best for you. Windows itself is not an industry standard by any means. The OS matters very little in general beyond being able to give you real time processing and low latency. Windows could not even do low latency before 10.
I never said it can’t be done, just like my mechanic could make a living working out of his yard without a garage, I just said that if you’re serious about it long term you can’t escape it, the real (pro) tools aren’t on Linux, just like my mechanic had to buy a garage if he wanted to continue doing that long term and professionally.
Can you now install Mac OS on any hardware? They have the best tools for audio work, right? I can just choose that tool and install it on my… Oh wait! I can’t do that.
Do you not understand the argument you’re arguing?
Hackintosh, but Pro Tools is what’s used by the actual industry (so if you want to be serious about it you better learn to use it) and it’s on both Windows and Mac.
Hackintosh is arguably harder to deal with than Linux.
And why is pro tools still an industry standard? Is it because it’s the best software for the job, or is it because it was left unchallenged for 20 years?
It’s the best tool if you want the job because that’s the industry standard, but if you want to use alternatives then you’ve got a lot more choices on Windows and Mac.
I never said it’s impossible to do audio work on Linux, you’ll be limiting yourself if you do though.
That doesn’t apply the same for tools as it does cameras. For cameras the idea is at least you have the image captured. For a tool, if you’re trying to lift a car up, a hammer alone isn’t going to do you much good.
Why doesn’t it apply? Because you don’t want it to?
Not everyone who has an interest in something has access to resources. Money is often the limiting factor. So should those people not pursue their interest because the tools they don’t have are beyond their reach?
Lift a car with a hammer. Sometimes the only tool you have access to is the wrong tool. That doesn’t make it the best or correct or even reasonable tool to use.
I produced an album doing exactly this. the windows VST plugins with yabridge run like shit. not all of them worked. bitwig and reaper are fantastic though, and are great examples of what linux audio could be. unfortunately I am often using tools besides the daw and its built in features.
I should mention that yabridge folks are amazing. they are very responsive on IRC and they helped a lot. I think the main developer has pulled off something important here and I have a very high level of respect for what he’s doing. i have to put my music before my computer though.
Yeah, some vests are just crap and too locked into windows to be usable. Personally, I’m a computer guy that also does music (through I’ve been to busy from studying), so I won’t bother with something that is not Gnu/Linux
said no music producer ever
There are people who work on music full time on Linux.
Sure, and my mechanic was working full time from his yard before buying a real garage with a lift. Just because some people go through the trouble of doing it doesn’t mean it’s the best tool for the job.
I’m not sure I understand how your analogy fits. There’s no heavy lifting involved. 🙂 Everything works and it’s ready-made – otherwise people wouldn’t use it at all. There are also lots of distros specifically tailored to audio and studio work. Naturally, there’s some things to learn but you also had to learn things when you got into audio and presumably you keep up with the industry so there isn’t a big difference.
Check out /r/linuxaudio, lots of resources in the sidebar and very helpful community.
otherwise people wouldn't use it at allExactly my point, that’s just not true. There’s always some people who will use the worse tool instead of switching to the better tool (out of principle mostly), it doesn’t mean the tool is great or as good as the alternative, it just means the person doesn’t mind making their life harder than it needs to be.
Just like there were people insisting on doing graphical work on Windows back when Apple was miles ahead in that field or some places run Windows Server instead of using Linux and so on.
Heck, you’re talking about using specific distros for music stuff… If you’re going to dual boot or have a specific OS just for that, why not use the OS that has the better tools that are the industry standard?
There are tools that work on any OS. Audio processing has been developing at an even pace on all main OS (Windows, Mac, Linux). At this point it’s a matter of what flow works best for you. Windows itself is not an industry standard by any means. The OS matters very little in general beyond being able to give you real time processing and low latency. Windows could not even do low latency before 10.
Pro tools (the real studio standard): Windows, Mac
Logic: Mac
Live: Windows, Mac
Nuendo: Windows, Mac
Sound Forge: Windows, Mac
Acid Pro: Windows
Reaper: Windows, Mac… Linux!
I can throw out names too. Bitwig, Cadence, Ardour, Zebra yabridge Pianoteq etc. Also entire distributions — MX, Elementary, Ubuntu, Mint, Solus etc.
Is it relevant? Maybe, depending on what you actually need.
Like I said, there’s no shortage of tools on any OS. If you want those specific ones that you listed and you want to do it on Windows, you can.
The only thing I object to is saying it can’t be done on another OS that you’re obviously not familiar with.
I never said it can’t be done, just like my mechanic could make a living working out of his yard without a garage, I just said that if you’re serious about it long term you can’t escape it, the real (pro) tools aren’t on Linux, just like my mechanic had to buy a garage if he wanted to continue doing that long term and professionally.
Can you now install Mac OS on any hardware? They have the best tools for audio work, right? I can just choose that tool and install it on my… Oh wait! I can’t do that.
Do you not understand the argument you’re arguing?
Hackintosh, but Pro Tools is what’s used by the actual industry (so if you want to be serious about it you better learn to use it) and it’s on both Windows and Mac.
Hackintosh is arguably harder to deal with than Linux.
And why is pro tools still an industry standard? Is it because it’s the best software for the job, or is it because it was left unchallenged for 20 years?
It’s the best tool if you want the job because that’s the industry standard, but if you want to use alternatives then you’ve got a lot more choices on Windows and Mac.
I never said it’s impossible to do audio work on Linux, you’ll be limiting yourself if you do though.
The best tool for the job is the tool you have access to.
That doesn’t apply the same for tools as it does cameras. For cameras the idea is at least you have the image captured. For a tool, if you’re trying to lift a car up, a hammer alone isn’t going to do you much good.
Why doesn’t it apply? Because you don’t want it to?
Not everyone who has an interest in something has access to resources. Money is often the limiting factor. So should those people not pursue their interest because the tools they don’t have are beyond their reach?
Lift a car with a hammer. Sometimes the only tool you have access to is the wrong tool. That doesn’t make it the best or correct or even reasonable tool to use.
So in your very odd analogy there is a naked man in a white void, a hammer and a car? You know what? I don’t care to continue this.
Well, if you have Linux then you have a PC then you can install Windows and you have access to better tools…
I’d rather bath my nan than go through another Windows install.
Man, you guys are precious and a half
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Agree, don’t agree, never been an issue, skip
they have a very narrow and specific set of software tools and hardware devices they can use. the ecosystem is shit, basically.
It’s not that bad. Bitwig studio plus ya ridge works pretty good. Also: no Tux no bux
I produced an album doing exactly this. the windows VST plugins with yabridge run like shit. not all of them worked. bitwig and reaper are fantastic though, and are great examples of what linux audio could be. unfortunately I am often using tools besides the daw and its built in features.
I should mention that yabridge folks are amazing. they are very responsive on IRC and they helped a lot. I think the main developer has pulled off something important here and I have a very high level of respect for what he’s doing. i have to put my music before my computer though.
Yeah, some vests are just crap and too locked into windows to be usable. Personally, I’m a computer guy that also does music (through I’ve been to busy from studying), so I won’t bother with something that is not Gnu/Linux
yeah, some of the most useful, popular and modern VSTs are unbelievable garbage software
You’re almost getting to the point of switching… So close!