Kelly Roskam of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions discusses a Supreme Court case that will decide if a federal law prohibiting possession of firearms by people subject to domestic violence protection orders is constitutional

  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    If some people losing their right to own guns based on a false accusation also means that some different people don’t get murdered by their psycho exes, is that a good thing on balance?

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          1 year ago

          The point is that infringing people’s rights because there -might- be some public good is a horrible precedent.

          • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            I’m not sure what relevance your previous post has to this topic.

            Anyway, rights are not people, people are more important. As for the right to own a firearm, I’m of the opinion that it’s past time to revisit this amendment. People living in countries without something similar to the 2nd amendment aren’t less free. In fact I’d argue they’re more free as they don’t have to worry about being involved in a massacre just because some white male incel fuckup is having a bad day.

            As for your point about protective orders. Did you read the article? The rationale is discussed there.

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              1 year ago

              In fact I’d argue they’re more free as they don’t have to worry about being involved in a massacre just because some white male incel fuckup is having a bad day.

              Fortunately, the only reason to have such fear is media sensationalism and your personal failure to understand the statistics.

              Despite the fearmongering, you’re still not even close to likely to experience one.

              • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                By going from revisiting the 2nd amendment straight to Chinese totalitarianism you’re showing a complete lack of nuance and critical thinking which makes your opinion less than interesting to me.

                There are plenty of countries which exercise gun control and they’re not any less free than the US. Many are more tolerant, more progressive and their societies are fairer and more equatable for everyone.

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                    1 year ago

                    It’s interesting that you point to the erosion of rights in other countries when the US is on a similar trajectory and yet all the gun humpers here are showing not even the smallest desire to do anything about it. You just played yourself. Not that you care.

    • krayj@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      Some people will say yes and some people will say no. The same argument you made could be used to outlaw a LOT of human behavior, though.

      For me personally, I universally don’t think it’s fair that I could be stripped of some of my rights without due process - that bit is important to me regardless of whether that is used for wrongdoing by others or not. A better solution would be to make due process happen faster, imo…or for the state to take a more proactive role in protecting the accuser until that due process runs its course.