If you want to do something get out on the streets. South African apartheid fell with the help of international pressure.
Also you can boycott israeli goods.
Don’t know about the USA, but here in Europe and in Arab/Muslim countries, lots and lots of people are out on the street, multiple times a week.
I do agree that this is the best strategy, but I just don’t think we have enough of the population on our side.
Too many westerners value Jewish Israeli life more than that of a Palestinian.
In my country (Netherlands), Israeli bombings literally killed one of our citizens, after Israel had refused them exit out of Gaza. And our PM is silent.
Meanwhile, our government gave citizenship through a dubious legal procedure to an Israeli hostage who has a Dutch grandfather in order to give that boy a dual nationality.
We do not have equality in our country. Muslims are worth less than Jews here.
Israel intentionally bombed a US ship and killed 34 sailors. Instead of doing something about it we helped them cover it up. It’s fucking crazy how much we let them get away with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfla1
I think you’re lying about the “covering up” bits of this story. Investigations into the incident started right away, with the Israeli Air Force claiming that they had mistaken the ship for an Egyptian battle ship. As a result, Israel agreed to pay compensation as mentioned in the article:
In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$28 million in 2022) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($28.5 million in 2022) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($21.3 million in 2022) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.
The coverup is that it wasn’t an accident, the source is Haaretz
That’s a conspiracy. It’s not plausible at all why they would attack the US and then immediately agree to pay for compensation.
The BDSMovement has a great acronym
Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones?
Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently.
Of Israel?
You’re right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate.
The thing is that it can’t be a ceasefire until Hamas frees all the hostages. And even then, there is no guarantee that there won’t be another terrorist attack.
Enjoy your forever war then.
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Excellent point. I propose a cease fire so international observers can enter Gaza to verify these claims.
Downplaying the casualties is straight out of the holocaust denial playbook
Did they downplay anything though?
I’m not saying the 6 million number is wrong I’m just asking for evidence?
Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It’s called JAQing off
The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you’re just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon’s history, they’re not asking in good faith.
If they weren’t just stirring shit it’s easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected:
Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports.
And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin’s law; but it’s really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it’s not an accident.
Well the post history does pull the rug from under me haha
Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won’t have a clear picture of what’s going on for a long time.
Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn’t understand propaganda in war. I don’t think that’s most people, though.
We’ve known that Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonial project since 1949 - I’d say seventy plus years qualifies as “a long time” in this regard.
If Israel wanted to end this they could. They’d get their hostages back and they’d get to mourn their dead.
Instead they immediately moved to starve millions of people to spite, what Wikipedia claims is (ie. a likely exaggerated) 20,000 Hamas members, of which Israel can only count one to be officially killed by their actions so far.
They’re now talking of a “final solution” for the “palestine problem”. Half are already homeless, trapped beside the border crossings that israel bombs if not to their liking. How long until Israel is either allowed to enact their “final solution” or instigates a regional conflict between countries trying to prevent that?
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Real estate. Gaza is full of prime beachfront property. What exactly do you think the object of ethnic cleansing is?
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You asked why and I gave you the answer in the simplest terms possible. You educate yourself. European colonizers have spent the last 500 years destroying people around the world. We have an idea of what this shit looks like by now.
Except Israelis are not European colonizers. They’ve been there as long as the Arabs and many Muslim recognize that.
That’s so fucking stupid.
The more I’m on the internet, the more I notice comments that start off like this are usually wrong and the poster is insecure.
Your arguments should be able to stand on their own merits. Insulting as though you’re already correct just makes you look weak and unsure of yourself.
As you get older, this becomes clearer.
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Excuse me? The dude asked a question, I answered it and my reward was to be insulted multiple times. That mother fucker doesn’t deserve a pot to piss in.
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Dude Israel is run by religious extremists. If they gave a fuck about peace they wouldn’t have sabotaged every attempt at a peace deal with Palestine.
If they didn’t want to wipe out Palestinians they wouldn’t support and protect illegal settlers.
The motivation of right wing Israelis has been clear from the very beginning. They believe that land belongs to one religious group only and they won’t stop until that belief is fully realized.
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land?
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imagine being this guy lol
A lot of ha’s in a thread underneath a picture of a bunch of dead kids. Maybe tone it down chucklefuck, simp for israel in a meme thread.
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It’s alright pal, yablewit.
This is so fucking moronic is makes my head hurt.
The more I’m on the internet, the more I notice comments that start off like this are usually wrong and the poster is insecure.
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Lol, okay buddy.
To drive Palestinians further off the small amount of land allotted to them?
Same shit they’ve been doing with their settlements, but at a quicker pace this time.
Best be quiet when adults are speaking
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Hamas could end the suffering if they cared about Palestinians, by surrendering.
Hope the millions who will die in the following days make you feel fulfilled that you chose this mindset. History will not absolve you.
History should have teached Palestinians a lesson or two about aggression and terrorism. They should have understood they will only hurt themselves with those.
As a father of a soon-to-be-4-year-old, that picture tears me up inside. I can’t fathom losing my son, especially not in this way. That goes for both sides of this fucking terrible thing.
Children. Are. Not. Acceptable. Collateral. Damage.
This is the exact intention of this picture though. Hamas is notorious for staging photos and videos like this. You shouldn’t trust terrorists.
Remove all context from that photo. That’s what I see. Whether staged or not, children on both sides are experiencing these things. Once you become a parent, providing you wanted to be one intentionally, you see all children, not just your own, as innocence and any perception of grief for the loss of that child as personally identifiable and deeply felt. We, as a species and society, have lost our humanity if we look at a picture like that, no matter the context, and don’t immediately feel sadness for the known innocence lost.
I say this unironically, but I pity you.
No need to lose humanity. But its better to not allow terrorist play with or use it to their advantage.
That’s where we differ. It’s our cold indifference, or our insufferable need to justify or define our world, that drives us to conclude that, “sure, the picture is sad, but what if this photo is staged to garner sympathy for terrorists.” To me, I don’t have to believe anything about the context to know how distraught I’d be as a parent in that situation. I don’t need to know if it is or isn’t doctored to gain support, be it for the state of Israel or Hamas.
I see a man, could be a father, could be a stock photo (it matters not), holding a child (or large sweet potato for all I know) wrapped in cloth, and I’m moved to tears because I can put myself in that place, in that moment, in that grief. I can acknowledge that the photo I’m seeing may not be legitimate, but that doesn’t make it less likely to represent real fathers mourning the loss of their child and how I would feel in that moment; how absolutely devastated I would be; how I wish for all of it to end.
That’s empathy, my friend. It doesn’t see sides. It doesn’t push agendas. I can feel that empathy strongly, mourn with that man intensely, and grieve with the very real fathers who have had to bury their innocence, whether this photo is real or not.
I want you to know, I did not down-vote your comment(s). I understand that this whole conflict, situation, and world sucks. All I can do is hope for a peaceful resolution while I hold my child for all the fathers who no longer can.
It doesn’t push agendas.
Maybe you mean it for yourself, but it doesn’t apply to everyone, see various protests after hamas dropped information about hospital bombing.
Like if there’s any doubt that children are among the victims of Israel im this very momemt. Some people have no shame.
These are victims of hamas and its actions in the first place. Israel’s attacks are not unprovoked. Even though it sucks to know people are dying, context is important to understand better why it happened and how similar stuff could be solved.
Yeah the context is Israel as an apartheid state. Forgot that part I guess… What’s really funny is the rethoric of Israel as the soirce of security for all Jews - only has been for decadea the biggest reason why Jews are attacked all around world.
The irony.So it’s apartheid state vs terrorist state?
Fuck it. Assume I agree Israel are bloody monsters who want to enslave everyone around. This doesn’t change my message to hamas: “stop building rockets, you idiots, whenever you use them you only get more Palestinians killed”.
I’m afraid you are greatly underestimating that assumption my dear.
Anything you might have to say about Israel does not change what I said to hamas idiots even a bit. It’s not about Israel, it’s about idiots and their poor choices. They are incapable of managing their own lives effectively and don’t care about Palestinians’ lives either.
You shouldn’t trust terrorists.
You’re right. No one should trust the IDF. War crime after war crime. They’re the worst plague on the planet since Isis, but actually have the backing of major world powers because they got their guys to weasel into the top of every nation’s government.
Anyone speaking out against their narrative, from the UN to newspapers are being cancelled.
These are Gazans. They’re not trained Hollywood actors dude. Look at the grief on their faces. That’s REAL. If it’s not real in this picture (for whatever reason), it’s real in thousands more. The stats alone show how many people have had to hold their dead children in their arms like this.
It’s disgusting. It’s Genocide. No people who suffered at the hands of Nazis in WWII, should ever perpetrate this kind of hell on someone else. Israel has forgotten everything. Their ancestors would be ashamed.
but actually have the backing of major world powers because they got their guys to weasel into the top of every nation’s government.
So they found something that works for them. It’s better than building nothing but rockets.
These are Gazans. They’re not trained Hollywood actors dude.
Oh. I’m sure both celebration of launching missiles and tears of receiving them back are sincere.
No people who suffered at the hands of Nazis in WWII, should ever perpetrate this kind of hell on someone else. Israel has forgotten everything. Their ancestors would be ashamed.
Palestinians should have not attacked Israel in the first place. They forget each time this happens that it only brings more tears. Their god is already sad by their attempts that only hurt themselves, and maybe doesn’t even approve.
Yeah… let’s trust these people instead.
Would you really like to exchange videos like that? I can drop you stuff with Palestinians being happy firing rockets, staging scenes for false victim reports etc.
In the end, it’s all about doing what’s better for your people or not, being terrorists or not. Hamas are very much below what anyone would call “adequate”. Israel is nothing like that.
Would you really like to exchange videos like that?
Do you have any videos showing a massively-funded, western-backed military machine bombing Israeli hospitals and refugee camps filled with Israeli people?
Sure… go ahead!
And do you have videos showing how firing rockets at Israel actually helped Palestinians achieve anything good?
This attack by Hamas has done a lot to widen the cracks appearing in the west’s pro-Israel propaganda effort - the fact that you are here trying (and failing) to patch the gigantic holes in that sinking propganda ship is proof.
So it was worth it to kill that many people and you don’t have issues with it? So you support such aggression?
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Both men and women serve in the Israeli military.
Also quit making this about your virtue signaling. There’s real people suffering and you’re not the lone voice in the wind.
Join a war protest. Donate to Amnesty International. Get involved if you care to do more than shame people who will never read your posts while proclaiming on social media how virtuous you are.
Was going to let this slide. But once I saw you had posted twice in this thread, I couldn’t. For the sake of myself and everyone else that reads your comments.
Thanks
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I don’t believe it. The tone was holier than thou. Not rage bait.
But if you’d prefer to be thought of as a troll, more power to you.
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This isn’t a fucking game where you take turns.
Retaliatory actions that prevent the next attack ARE self defense.
“Once the attck is over” - gtfo of here with that shit. Like you can actually say, “Oh, they pressed pause. Let’s all go back home until they unpause”
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Yes a nation has the right to defend itself
Yes, let’s pretend a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project has the right to “defend” itself from the people it has actively sought to exterminate since 1949.
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Are you copy/pasting the same comment, I am pretty sure I saw pretty much the same comment under another thread.
You should really change your repertoire otherwise people would start suspecting you are a bot.
This guy could probably work for the ministry of foreign affairs, if he wasn’t an employee already.
Well here is the UN saying that Israel are in clear breech of international law.But maybe the UN chief is a member of hamas as well.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67201465
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Idk does these dead bodies look real too you?
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Palestinian health officialsHamas.ftfy
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6/10 - like the drama you put into it but I think overall there is not enough Iam14AndThisIsDeep.
Yeah, seems like the kind of thing that would be upvoted way more on reddit.
There is no hell, and that is the problem; those fighting believe in it.
As a Jew, I’d like you to know we don’t have the concept of hell.
The afterlife is pretty simple, if you lived as a good Jew (they aren’t) you live with God. If you live as a bad Jew, you live without God. That’s really about it.
That’s the Christian heaven and hell as I understand them too. From when I was being taught from someone who had studied the scripture, as a theologian, in an intense historical and philosophical way said the only canon Christians have on hell is that it is living without god. A lot of the imagery of Christian hell is about as biblically supported as Santa Claus. I could be wrong but that man knew more about Every Abrahamic religion than anyone id ever conversed with, and plenty of non Abrahamic ones too.
Interesting I actually didn’t know that. One of the unfortunate parts of growing up with a bible thumper Christian step mom is you don’t actually learn the bible, you get told bullshit that isn’t true.
Hell was straight up stolen from the norse mythology, they kept the name and everything.
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As a Catholic school attendee I’d like to thank you for the half-days we had every Wednesday to accommodate CCD kids
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You’re very welcome!
Fun fact, you’ll meet plenty of Jews who are atheistic as well. There’s a running joke in the community “ahh yes the time honored Jewish tradition of atheism.”
Without getting too personal, I’m actually agnostic. At least I think that’s the proper term. I don’t wonder if God exists, I wonder if it matters if God exists.
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This isn’t a religious war. Even Hamas rewrote their charter in 2017 to specify that their resistance is against the Israeli state and not Judaism, and ended their relationship with the muslim brotherhood.
Sure many are religious and fundamentalists, but the majority Palestinian resistance is resisting because of colonialism and apartheid, not because a cleric has demanded it holy to do so.
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Did Israel catch up to killing innocent people like Hamas did yet?
*Guess Isreal is winning while the innocent loose
They’ve been ahead for years.
A long, long time ago, fascist.
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According to hamas, basically.
If only Saudi Arabia didn’t want a civilian nuclear program.
What am I talking about? Saudi Arabia was about to sign a defense agreement with the United States that would have allowed them to have a civilian nuclear program and enter into a defense pact with the United States. The only condition placed on Saudi Arabia was that they had to normalize relations with Israel. Iran didn’t like this, because they’re biggest competitor in the region was Saudi Arabia. If only there was a way to keep Saudi Arabia from normalizing relations with Israel. I wonder what Iran could have done to prevent that…
Convenient coincidence, but Qatar has been shoveling money towards Hamas for years
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If there was only some way the world could have predicted that a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state would act like a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state.
