• SneakyThunder@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Because the other option is to starve to death.

    That’s pessimistic… Food can be grown…

    theft includes the net profits that are not shared with the workers

    How businesses would innovate without accumulating capital? What happens if they suffer a loss? What would they pay their workers?

    IMO it’s not theft, it’s just a price you’re paying for someone else to deal with risc possible losses while providing you stable income.

    Not talking about reserch, marketing and realization of goods/services, that someone without capital can’t do on their own.

    • Belgdore@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      If I don’t work for the system then I starve. I’m not talking’s about a Malthusian disaster. I can’t grow food because I don’t own land.

      I specifically said net profits should be given to the works. They can then invest in new ventures and become decision makers. That would maintain innovation. By only having those at the top make decisions you actually limit the things getting innovated because you only have a few minds working on it. There is nothing that would prevent a company from having a research fund like they currently do. I said net profit for a reason. The issue is money exiting via exorbitant corporate salaries and dividends and investments in unrelated things that do not benefit the workers.

      When was the last time a billionaire went broke they aren’t assuming any risk. The workers who you say aren’t assuming a risk go homeless and starve when the company fails and they can’t find a job.

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      1 year ago

      Food can be grown…

      This argument always makes me laugh. On what land? Most of us live in cities. “So don’t live in a city!” OK great, how do I afford property? “Work a different job to save”. OK but now I have the money I need. We live in a specialized society. Not everyone needs or wants to be a farmer, and that is a good thing.

      How businesses would innovate without accumulating capital?

      Strawman. Nobody is saying money is bad. We are saying regulated markets are more egalitarian and more representative of societal value than free ones. Implicit in every neo-liberalist argument is this assumption that money is the only market for societal value. But that is not an established fact. How much monetary value does your grandmother make for you? Your kids? I thought so.