Democratic socialist politicians like Cori Bush and Rashida Tlaib are right about the violence in Israel and Palestine: we should both be mourning civilian deaths and calling for an end to the Israeli occupation.
When hundreds of civilians are murdered by terrorist, that’s not the moment to talk about rewarding the terrorists, which is exactly what they are asking Israel to do.
To be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR: Israel has offered peace deals and two state solutions many times before. Palestinians always walk away.
So this should be the moment that progressive turn to the PALESTINIANS and say, time for YOU to end the occupation by taking a peace deal that isn’t your favorite, because this terrorism shit is 1000% evil and unacceptable.
No dude, you’re wrong. If it were at all possible for Palestinians to walk away from their oppressors, they would have. I don’t know the details of whatever was offered, but I can only assume it was “Palestine leaves their land forever and unconditionally surrenders to Israel’s demands”. That is not a peace deal, that is extortion.
This is the same argument Republicans use about gun control and mass shootings. Can’t talk about it because it’s happening now. Makes so much sense right?
Israel has made it clear that it will not accept peace. Israel at no point in time was ever willing to accept a two-state solution. Israel and Hamas are terrorist organizations.
The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel is extremely well-funded and serves with consent of the governed whereas Hamas is extremely poorly funded and less than half of the population was born when they were “elected” and even fewer of them participated in that election.
Israel at no point in time was ever willing to accept a two-state solution.
This is objectively false. Please, just look it up. In recent times, a majority of Israeli people do not support it, but a majority did before the last five years or so.
Israeli politics are dominated by right-wing hardliners who need constant conflict with the Palestinians for their own political survival. Netanyahu himself has constructed his entire political identity around being the only person who can be trusted with Israel’s security. As long as this is the case, what the Israeli population wants or doesn’t want is immaterial
What would you say the Palestinians should give? They lost everything.
Should they give the open air prison that Gaza is? Or the web of bantustans that the West Bank became?
They already had everything ripped from them and every day they loose yet another bit of territory to Israeli settlers.
The only peace deal Israel wants is the same they’ve been enforcing for half a century: that the Palestinians pack their shit and leave their ancestral land for good for Israel to settle.
It matters because Palestinians have zero leverage. Their choice is either make peace and build a future, or keep fighting a losing battle, and ensure that their children never have a chance.
Horseshit.
When hundreds of civilians are murdered by terrorist, that’s not the moment to talk about rewarding the terrorists, which is exactly what they are asking Israel to do.
To be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR: Israel has offered peace deals and two state solutions many times before. Palestinians always walk away.
So this should be the moment that progressive turn to the PALESTINIANS and say, time for YOU to end the occupation by taking a peace deal that isn’t your favorite, because this terrorism shit is 1000% evil and unacceptable.
No dude, you’re wrong. If it were at all possible for Palestinians to walk away from their oppressors, they would have. I don’t know the details of whatever was offered, but I can only assume it was “Palestine leaves their land forever and unconditionally surrenders to Israel’s demands”. That is not a peace deal, that is extortion.
This is the same argument Republicans use about gun control and mass shootings. Can’t talk about it because it’s happening now. Makes so much sense right?
Israel has made it clear that it will not accept peace. Israel at no point in time was ever willing to accept a two-state solution. Israel and Hamas are terrorist organizations.
The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel is extremely well-funded and serves with consent of the governed whereas Hamas is extremely poorly funded and less than half of the population was born when they were “elected” and even fewer of them participated in that election.
This is objectively false. Please, just look it up. In recent times, a majority of Israeli people do not support it, but a majority did before the last five years or so.
Israeli politics are dominated by right-wing hardliners who need constant conflict with the Palestinians for their own political survival. Netanyahu himself has constructed his entire political identity around being the only person who can be trusted with Israel’s security. As long as this is the case, what the Israeli population wants or doesn’t want is immaterial
What would you say the Palestinians should give? They lost everything.
Should they give the open air prison that Gaza is? Or the web of bantustans that the West Bank became?
They already had everything ripped from them and every day they loose yet another bit of territory to Israeli settlers.
The only peace deal Israel wants is the same they’ve been enforcing for half a century: that the Palestinians pack their shit and leave their ancestral land for good for Israel to settle.
Why do you people keep saying this like it matters? Have you ever considered it’s what’s in those deals that is important?
Take a look at the Native Americans for an example of a colonized people accepting their colonizers’ terms.
It matters because Palestinians have zero leverage. Their choice is either make peace and build a future, or keep fighting a losing battle, and ensure that their children never have a chance.
Israel can wait.
Israel is thriving.
I hear you, but certainly you can understand how “accept that you’ve lost” may not sit well with some people.
Yes. But it is objective reality.
And the rest of the world would be doing the Palestinians an enormous favor of they told them that in no uncertain terms.
Hm. You have a good point.
This could lead to rebuilding a Palestinian nation in the same fashion as Japan after WW2.
Sounds like you’re looking for a final solution to this Palestinian problem.
Go ahead, say it with your chest.