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    They pay, because at any moment they can come back as a citizen.

    But that’s true of pretty much every other country in the world as well. So it still doesn’t explain why the US is the only one that charges tax on foreign-earned income.

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      So it still doesn’t explain why the US is the only one that charges tax on foreign-earned income.

      On the wealthy…

      You keep omitting that point, and it’s starting to get old.

      But the reason is idealistic.

      America was supposed to be the land of immigrants where anyone can immigrate, work hard, and earn wealth.

      That system doesn’t work if once you amass your wealth, you fuck off somewhere else and take it all with you. The reasoning is you were able to amass that wealth through America’s social ladder.

      If the wealthy (the only ones that pay foreign income tax or exit taxes) don’t want to pay that, they know that being honest will never result in change.

      If how I’m saying it doesn’t make sense, use the IRS website I’ve provided numerous times.

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        You keep calling these people “wealthy” but the income levels you shared don’t even come close to matching that. Also lol at the idea of America being an idealistic place so that’s why people should pay this tax. My fucking ass. America is and always has been rigged for rich people, which should immediately tell you why this law still exists.

        How about we actually tax real wealthy people, like millionaires loaning money to themselves, instead of forcing the middle class to pick up the slack yet again?

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        If how I’m saying it doesn’t make sense, use the IRS website I’ve provided numerous times.

        You cannot expect people to use the irs.gov website. That’s not open to the public. It’s exclusive. Try going there over tor - you will get a 403. Indeed it’s shitty that access to legal information is restricted. It should be open to all.

    • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.ee
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      Because you’re American and should pay taxes no matter if you’re in Antarctica or not. If you’re in a different country and not participating in America’s system, then why are you claiming to still be an American citizen? The answer is to renounce at that point. The right winger “taxes against rich are bad” are starting to come out in this thread lol.

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        Because you’re American and should pay taxes no matter if you’re in Antarctica or not.

        Why is America the only country that has this perspective (Eritrea excepted)? Is literally every single other country besides an African dictatorship simply delusional, and only America and Eritrea found the divine wisdom that all global income should be taxed?

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          That’s not a reason on why we shouldn’t have a wealth tax… You’re just blindly insulting America without reason, which this site is already a xenophobic circlejerk.

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            Why are you talking about wealth taxes when they have nothing to do with the question I asked?

            Again, why is America the only major country that has this policy? Either answer this, or don’t respond.

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              Because this is a form of wealth tax. That’s not even a question you’re asking. Fuck out of here with that aggressive debate lord shit.

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                The topic was on taxing foreign income. To quote the relevant bit from above:

                If you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien of the United States and you live abroad, you are taxed on your worldwide income.

                Though I agree that if you aren’t capable of even following the topic at hand, it’s best that I just save my breath here.

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          The United States is one of the few countries that has a system of taxing its citizens and residents on their worldwide income, including income earned abroad. This practice is known as “citizenship-based taxation.” There are a few reasons why the U.S. follows this approach:

          1. Historical Reasons: The United States has had a system of citizenship-based taxation in place for a long time. It dates back to the Civil War era when it was implemented to fund the war effort.

          2. Desire to Prevent Tax Evasion: Citizenship-based taxation is intended to prevent U.S. citizens and residents from avoiding taxes by moving their assets or income abroad. Without it, individuals might seek tax havens to reduce their tax liability.

          1. Complex Tax Code: The U.S. tax code is complex, and changing to a different system, such as residence-based taxation (taxing only income earned within the country), would require a significant overhaul of tax laws.

          2. Revenue Generation: Taxing foreign income allows the U.S. government to generate revenue from its citizens and residents, regardless of where they earn their income.

          It’s worth noting that while the U.S. taxes its citizens and residents on foreign income, there are mechanisms in place, such as the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and foreign tax credits, to mitigate double taxation and reduce the tax burden on income earned in other countries. However, compliance with U.S. tax laws related to foreign income can be complex and may require professional assistance for those living abroad.

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        If you think it’s that easy to renounce American citizenship, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

        I fully support taxing the rich. I am very explicitly NOT rich. And I cannot come close to being able to afford to renounce my American citizenship.