I feel like commenting on the situation is important, due to I think the vast majority of commenters are too ideologically fanatical against both or one side(Either you support Palestine or support Israel) that is so polarized. This was happened before in other ways, believe me. Look at the 20th century history of general region alone(I am referring to the Eastern Mediterranean), notice a pattern? I do. So, before hand I am giving this disclaimer, to some of you that will sound “Islamophobic” and anti-muslim and that kind of stuff and might be considered “hate speech”. I am basing it upon current events and past events that are im part of my historical knowledge, so correct me to any inaccuracies, but please provide sources to these so I can study these better. (Do note this doesn’t focus directly on Islam, but I am putting disclaimers anyways)* *Corrections, it is in general sensitive topics, relating to genocides, war and the like. If you are sensitive towards any of these topics, please click off for your own good, otherwise proceed. And I will make it clear I don’t support either sides, I just want a two state solution in a way, ideally a federation will do the best job I believe. Any further corrections/changes will be noted there. – ::: spoiler spoiler ___ So, the entire shitfuckery roots on the basis of religious and ethics conflicts at its core manipulated by third parties. I will be referring to the current ongoing 21th once again started genocide of the Armenians by the Azerbaijani Government and Military, the basis of is of ethnic, but as stated as above…rooted in religion and possibly other reasons, including propaganda. You have to look further back in the 20th century alone to see, where, alone whole entire native populations were kicked out of native lands because of religion and the fucking interest of the Big Powers(At the time Britain, France and some other I can’t remember), that was amidst WWI and shortly afterwards. I am referring to the Armenian Genocide, but…it was not only them affected. Many of these people were the Christian populations of Minor Asia, that included the Armenians. Religion was everything in terms of division, but peace was there, it was fragile in truth. And so the Big Powers, manipulated them the same ways the Nazis demonized the Jews, this lead to infighting between the populations, and it lead to some very horrible things in there…the same went to the opposite side. To note it was during sunset years of the Ottoman Empire. And I will be focusing on the religious aspect for a bit. There were shitty people from groups, and the like. In general, the rich are to blame in terms. But also Religion, why though? Religion is the root causation of countless infighting for centuries on end between ethnic groups, the same applies to the Palestinians and Israelis whether you want it or not, the religious animosity of Jews and Muslims can’t be ignored, and so once again the Great Powers came into the equation, in one side we got the USA, being the modern day imperialists they are, manipulate the situation at hand making Israel as a country in a way their “pet” to put it lightly and use this country as a scapegoat for furthering their own agendas. At the hand, we got Palestine, who would have you guessed it, has some pretty notable jihadists popular as leaders, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the Hamas “went to bed” with some other Great Power to get funding and manipulate the agony of the Palestinians towards the Israeli civilians and alike. They are not any better than any other islamic terrorist organization in regards of humans rights mind you, they want an islamic emirate where people like us(LGBTQ+, any other religious group, women and the like) are oppressed and treated worse than their fucking pets. And cleanse ethnically any other groups that what they consider “true” Palestinian. To my fellow Left Wingers, do you know easy is it to be labelled as that? As an undesirable? Since when these type of people(far-right) our friends? Never. You can easily be next in their list. Israel is not innocent also. There is no true justification in blatant of derooting people of their homes, I can understand the military due past history of hostile neighbors(Let’s not look any further a bit up north), but for many things, not really. But, I have not lived there in both Israel and Palestine to fully know. So, what I am trying to achieve by saying all of this? We need to look up at the true perpetrators at hand and work together to stop, including the local ones. In the end for peace in the region to the be finally achieved is we need to go past our luring nightmares of the past and march forward all together at hand and do what these fuckers don’t want us to do: Working together. No one is innocent truly. No one. I am saying as someone who’s from this general region and the same happens at here with the neighbors across the same sea we share, many of the youth doesn’t want infighting and we need realize how truly not so different we are as people. Let’s hope in the future this all become something we laugh about in late night drinking, where we all drunkenly tease each other with no malice behind it and are all friends, with the nightmare long since over, now belonging to the history books for the future generations to look back upon and remind themselves why it is better for us to be allies than enemies. ::: I hope this gets my point across, and no TL;DR. And if there any issues regarding rule breaking, please tell me down in the replies.
lol, lmao even. There should be a rule that people have to link their comments if they want to whinge and be disingenuous about moderation.
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CW: genocide apologia
I feel like commenting on the situation is important, due to I think the vast majority of commenters are too ideologically fanatical against both or one side(Either you support Palestine or support Israel) that is so polarized. This was happened before in other ways, believe me. Look at the 20th century history of general region alone(I am referring to the Eastern Mediterranean), notice a pattern? I do. So, before hand I am giving this disclaimer, to some of you that will sound “Islamophobic” and anti-muslim and that kind of stuff and might be considered “hate speech”. I am basing it upon current events and past events that are im part of my historical knowledge, so correct me to any inaccuracies, but please provide sources to these so I can study these better. (Do note this doesn’t focus directly on Islam, but I am putting disclaimers anyways)* *Corrections, it is in general sensitive topics, relating to genocides, war and the like. If you are sensitive towards any of these topics, please click off for your own good, otherwise proceed. And I will make it clear I don’t support either sides, I just want a two state solution in a way, ideally a federation will do the best job I believe. Any further corrections/changes will be noted there. – ::: spoiler spoiler ___ So, the entire shitfuckery roots on the basis of religious and ethics conflicts at its core manipulated by third parties. I will be referring to the current ongoing 21th once again started genocide of the Armenians by the Azerbaijani Government and Military, the basis of is of ethnic, but as stated as above…rooted in religion and possibly other reasons, including propaganda. You have to look further back in the 20th century alone to see, where, alone whole entire native populations were kicked out of native lands because of religion and the fucking interest of the Big Powers(At the time Britain, France and some other I can’t remember), that was amidst WWI and shortly afterwards. I am referring to the Armenian Genocide, but…it was not only them affected. Many of these people were the Christian populations of Minor Asia, that included the Armenians. Religion was everything in terms of division, but peace was there, it was fragile in truth. And so the Big Powers, manipulated them the same ways the Nazis demonized the Jews, this lead to infighting between the populations, and it lead to some very horrible things in there…the same went to the opposite side. To note it was during sunset years of the Ottoman Empire. And I will be focusing on the religious aspect for a bit. There were shitty people from groups, and the like. In general, the rich are to blame in terms. But also Religion, why though? Religion is the root causation of countless infighting for centuries on end between ethnic groups, the same applies to the Palestinians and Israelis whether you want it or not, the religious animosity of Jews and Muslims can’t be ignored, and so once again the Great Powers came into the equation, in one side we got the USA, being the modern day imperialists they are, manipulate the situation at hand making Israel as a country in a way their “pet” to put it lightly and use this country as a scapegoat for furthering their own agendas. At the hand, we got Palestine, who would have you guessed it, has some pretty notable jihadists popular as leaders, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the Hamas “went to bed” with some other Great Power to get funding and manipulate the agony of the Palestinians towards the Israeli civilians and alike. They are not any better than any other islamic terrorist organization in regards of humans rights mind you, they want an islamic emirate where people like us(LGBTQ+, any other religious group, women and the like) are oppressed and treated worse than their fucking pets. And cleanse ethnically any other groups that what they consider “true” Palestinian. To my fellow Left Wingers, do you know easy is it to be labelled as that? As an undesirable? Since when these type of people(far-right) our friends? Never. You can easily be next in their list. Israel is not innocent also. There is no true justification in blatant of derooting people of their homes, I can understand the military due past history of hostile neighbors(Let’s not look any further a bit up north), but for many things, not really. But, I have not lived there in both Israel and Palestine to fully know. So, what I am trying to achieve by saying all of this? We need to look up at the true perpetrators at hand and work together to stop, including the local ones. In the end for peace in the region to the be finally achieved is we need to go past our luring nightmares of the past and march forward all together at hand and do what these fuckers don’t want us to do: Working together. No one is innocent truly. No one. I am saying as someone who’s from this general region and the same happens at here with the neighbors across the same sea we share, many of the youth doesn’t want infighting and we need realize how truly not so different we are as people. Let’s hope in the future this all become something we laugh about in late night drinking, where we all drunkenly tease each other with no malice behind it and are all friends, with the nightmare long since over, now belonging to the history books for the future generations to look back upon and remind themselves why it is better for us to be allies than enemies. ::: I hope this gets my point across, and no TL;DR. And if there any issues regarding rule breaking, please tell me down in the replies.