• 000999@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    First and foremost, people have the right to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes as long as it isn’t harming innocent bystanders.

    Arguably more importantly, the proposed ban is worryingly dystopian.

    Finally, agreeing with anything Sunak does is unforgivable. And in this case would reflect neo-liberal sympathies.

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      as long as it isn’t harming innocent bystanders.

      Considering that’s exactly what second hand smoke does, I really don’t see what point you’re trying to make.

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        Except it doesn’t, less than 9% of the population in the USA uses tobacco in any form, including in that group is past smokers and vapers so it’s probably around 7% or less. Continually attacking a vice that’s basically done is just virtue signaling bullshit. Alcoholism has skyrocketed and kills way more people a year, and obesity is now our number one killer by miles. No one is dying from second hand smoke…you sitting in traffic is doing way more damage to your body than getting a random breeze of smoke from someone outside.

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      Except smokers always insist on slowly murdering everyone around them and littering everything in their path. If you want to smoke in a hermetically sealed room and not get close to me for at least 6 hours after, fine by me.

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      First and foremost, people have the right to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes as long as it isn’t harming innocent bystanders.

      That’s the thing with smoking though, second hand smoke is a big problem, especially for vulnerable people

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      They’re literally cancer sticks…

      I guess we should allow people to sell antifreeze as both an industrial chemical and a soft drink. Arguably, people have the right to quickly and painfully kill themselves as well.

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        Humans have been smoking tobacco for thousands of years. Banning it will only allow the black market to swell to an unimaginable size

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          These are cigarettes. Engineered to be as addictive as possible. We aren’t talking about hand rolled stogies here

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          By that logic we should continue slavery. Aren’t you worried someone’s going to purchase one of your children on the black market!?

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          You can imagine it, it would be less than the amount that is currently being smoked.

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            Not necessarily. People could actually start smoking more because tax free cigarettes are astronomically cheaper

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              Are people smoking less weed now it’s legal in many US states?

              Where do you think tax free cigarettes are going to come from?

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                They are either domestic bootlegs or imports. If cigarettes were actually fully banned, organized crime groups would begin mass cigarette smuggling and manufacturing operations. Sounds ridiculous, but it’s true

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                  People don’t enjoy or need smoking that much, so no.

                  And my first question?