• Rhabuko@feddit.de
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    Nobody de-federated. People saw that there was a the_Donald community on sh.itjust.works + a lot of people from said server defending it (“just ignore it bro”). That triggered probably bad memories ala spez defending t_D because of “VaLuABlE DiSCuSsIoN”, while they brigaded and harrased countless people during their time on Reddit. Some people got a little bit carried away and demanded de-federation and a couple of trolls throw gazoline in the fire.

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      A community does not have a right to exist on a certain person’s server. They should delete The_Donald and move on.

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      This is one of the personal fears I have about society’s where ‘the mob’ decides. Most people haven’t had their fate decided by a mob before and so might not know what this means or how it pans out most of the time.

      I believe it is imperative that we have something in place to avoid mob actions - not a central authority per say but possibly a collective code we all believe in and abide by. We could perhaps establish what is (un)acceptable on a fediversal (universal) scale and what is (un)acceptable on a local instances (instances decide this themselves obv.)

      In the future we might need Lemmy/ActivityPub to be able to define posts/accounts/communities that are accessible across the Fediverse and those that are only accessible to users of that instance.

      Hence we wouldn’t have the problem where for instance: members of one instance think pictures of furries is not NSFW content but members from other instances think it is

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        I’ll never understand this moral handwringing about mob rule.

        No one is burning witches. There’s no value to having a bunch of neo-nazi perspectives. They’re not useful, productive or worth platforming.

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          This. No fucking nazis that should be banned automatically whenever they try to start any community.

          Fuckers can stay on true social or whatever the hell trump calls his platform and stay away from Lemmy.

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            You realize a major purpose of federation is so that content can’t be censored so easily by a central authority? This isn’t Twitter. If you need a safe space, the fediverse isn’t for you.

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              This is exactly the space for creating all sorts of spaces. No one needs to federate with you here. It’s up to instance owners and there’s plenty of instances.

              Nazi trash can stay entirely off any instance that I’m on and if they show up and nothing is done I’ll go elsewhere. Period.

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            You could read Karl Popper’s The Paradox of Tolerance.

            There’s no need to debate Nazism or Fascism with Nazis and Fascists. The education on it should come from historians and those otherwise educated in it.

            When we censor Nazis we win. When we let them into our spaces we lose.

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                You simultaneously reject it and believe he wrote it to prove how unsustainable it is?

                You’re entirely wrong. No ideas need to be shared where people don’t want to hear them. You are free to speak and I am free to not listen. It’s truly a beautiful approach.

                Edit: I’d also like to add that the paradox Popper is referring to is that of tolerating intolerance. That’s the paradox.