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If you’re still trying to pull “both sides” to defend a country murdering and abducting children, you have no footing to stand on.
“This is not war of Russia and Ukraine. I am against such definition. This is Putin’s war.”
- Boris Nemtsov, before he was shot on bridge near Kremlin wall
No one is saying that in good faith. I’ve only ever seen it as an idiotic straw man to attack people who don’t support escalation in Ukraine.
You can see that Russia’s actions are irreconcilably evil, and still not support Western military intervention in the area.
Since the west are the ones doing the most to help Ukraine right now, you kind of can’t.
I am a centrist, when I say both sides are bad, it doesn’t mean both sides are bad in every single conflict but that both sides have their issues. For example, Ukraine has a problem with Nazism, but that doesn’t mean they should be invaded by Russia.
The reason why this strawman meme like OP posted, gains traction is because most centrists don’t really bother wasting time and effort arguing online.
“I am a centrist”
And as such no one should listen to a thing you say.
Neither should they to you either. I’m a nobody, just like you.
Russia has only strengthened the position of the Nazis. A society fighting a desperate defensive war can’t afford to exclude any help. If Nazis want to go fight the Russians, go let them. Either way, regardless of who dies, you win. And if the Nazis survive until the end of the war, we can thank them for their service with slightly comfier pillows in their jail cells.
And if the Nazis survive until the end of the war, we can thank them for their service with slightly comfier pillows in their jail cells.
Except this thinking is literally how half of ethnic conflicts in early 20th century arose. The problem with this is that if Nazis survive, they are going to do so by holding positions of power.
what are you talking about? the far FAR overwhelming amount of Ethnic conflicts in the 20th century onwards were literally due to the collapse of artificial socio-economic structures created by then defunct empires.
Literally: COLONIALISM
And if the Nazis survive until the end of the war, we can thank them for their service with slightly comfier pillows in their jail cells.
I see no jail cells in these photos:
- (2019) Former WWII nationalist guerrillas granted veteran status in Ukraine: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7148
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You seem to be exceptionally confused. Go back and read what I said. At no point did I say that was what happened. It was my personal opinion that if Nazis help you fight a defensive war, their reward should be more comfy pillows in their jail cells. No amnesty, no forgiveness.
I’m flattered that you went into all that effort to dunk on me, but in the future don’t do all of that work until you make sure you understand the comment correctly.
Your comment didn’t specify a timeframe, which is why it contradicted recent events.
It was my personal opinion that if Nazis help you fight a defensive war, their reward should be more comfy pillows in their jail cells.
I share your opinion there.
I see what you mean. Regardless, I’m glad we agree on the actual point once we got through the misunderstanding.
A domestic enemy helping you defend your country is still a domestic enemy, and you can’t just forgive their wrongs, even if it feels a bit exploitative and unfair to give them nothing.
Ironically, your number one ally in a defensive existential war is the fascists and extremists, because they’re going to be quite pissed at the prospect of being conquered. Allowing them to fight is already reward enough for them.
Centrism isn’t a political position. It’s an attitude. It means you have a tendency to view dichotomies as false, and further that the truth, as you understand it, exists somewhere between two presented (false) dichotomies.
Centrism means different things depending on political context. It could mean you’re a socialist, a capitalist, a fascist, a bolshevik. It doesn’t present a political view in and of itself, and as such it’s usually an incredibly unprincipled stance.
Do you look at class through a socialist lens or a fascist one? As in, do you believe the classes are opposed in their interests or aligned?
Do you support the state’s monopoly on violence and subsequent declaration of private property rights?
Do you view allowing the interests of capital to steer the global economy via institutions like the IMF as a grave injustice or the invisible hand of the market doing what’s best for humanity?
The answer to these questions, if you look into things, will often align in a coherent way. It’s unlikely, for example, that you’ll take a socialist lens on classes in viewing them as conflicted while also supporting the declaration of property rights in direct opposition to the interests of the worker.
If you’re in the U.S and you’re a self-described centrist, you’re likely a capitalist who’s simply undecided on some social issues. If you were brought up religious but went to secular public school, that would cause some dissonance in analyzing social issues. However, this inability to form a coherent view shouldn’t be the main feature of your self-described political stance.
It’s better to just say you haven’t done enough research to come to any reasonable political position. It’s much better to accept that humans don’t know everything and know where your own knowledge falls short.
As someone who thought for a while they were centrist, this represents how I came to see it better than I could have put it into words.
Centrism is a desire to compromise between the two available options. There is no compromising with fascism. They might pretend to compromise, but they are really just solidifying their position for their next push. A compromise means they accomplish half of their goals and thus will have an easier time getting the rest of them than they would have before the compromise. Especially if their concessions all had nothing to do with real power, like allowing gay marriage. If they can offer the decriminalization of abortion to secure more political power, they can just consolidate that and use it to ban abortion again for everyone down the line. Their primary goal total power, everything else is secondary to that.
I see the Democrats as largely representing the status quo economically and politically with a healthy dose of social of progressivism thrown in. That social progressivism is important, but the economic and political stuff is what really needs to change to fix things. The Republicans, on the other hand, are regressive economically, politically, and socially, which was the case even before their recent descent into fascism. A compromise between those two won’t do anything good, so centrism is out.
Or rather, the Dems are, as a product of the nature of being such a broad party, centrist.
They’re only left compared to the far right. They try to keep balance far too often, often at the degeneration of the left (or greater good).
I’m not saying it’s bad (it isn’t ideal), but it is what it is.
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There’s a good side, and there’s a bad side. One side is abducting and killing/raping everybody they see, while trying to expand their country back into soviet times. The other side is trying to survive. You calling them both bad is like saying “My neighbour and hitler are both bad, hitler killed jews, and my neighbour called me a bad name.”
The things you talk about do not compare at all.
Okay so you can’t read. Got it.
Just for clarity, I’m literally agreeing with you that Russia is in the wrong.
You are. But the both sides bit came in when you said Ukraine has bad stuff too.
So? Just because Russia is invading Ukraine doesn’t mean Ukraine’s actions OUTSIDE of the conflict are excused. Russia is wrong in invading Ukraine. But Ukraine has problems of its own too. If you don’t understand something as simple as that, then I’d strongly suggest you to not be as confident in your thinking.
Okay, let me explain this to you like you are a four-year-old:
Pointing out the idiosyncrasies in either country’s culture is irrelevant to the discussion yet you did so and now defend doing it.
You only brought up an issue in Ukraine’s culture, none of Russia’s.
Therefore we know you are bringing up irrelevant shit in a biased way to make Ukraine look bad.
Therefore you need to shut the fuck up.
No you said "I am a centrist, when I say both sides are bad, it doesn’t mean both sides are bad in every single conflict but that both sides have their issues. For example, Ukraine has a problem with Nazism, but that doesn’t mean they should be invaded by Russia.
The reason why this strawman meme like OP posted, gains traction is because most centrists don’t really bother wasting time and effort arguing online. ".
As a centrist you would have stated that you despise the person in the middle of the meme if anything and that’s it. As a centrist you would hate to be associated with a whataboutism spewing shitposter or worse a russian propaganda bot. You are not. While everyone here is on the same page about the Russia invasion you brought up irrelevant shit that has nothing to do with the russian invasion war that is going on right now. Why? Probably because you think playing devil’s advocate means being a centrist.
As a centrist: Russia is obviously wrong and nobody needed your affirmation for this and it doesnt matte if Ukraine had a Nazism Problem, because now the World has a Russia Problem.
Except that I posted more than one comment. And you conveniently ignored them lmao. Shameless.
Cite them. What else did you say that would make all the criticism you got unjust?
I read all your comments. You are not a centrist.https://lemm.ee/comment/4198075
I don’t care about “unjust criticism”. I believe Russia is totally wrong in this conflict. But that doesn’t mean the world should go full Canada and start celebrating actual SS Nazi soldiers in Parliament.
And I don’t need to prove whether I’m a centrist or not, the best answer I can give you is that both tankies and bigots disagree heavily with my views, I believe in seperation of economy from government (actual center right economic policy) while also believing that everyone should have the freedom to express themselves and right to basic needs, and freedom to immigrate (center/center left).
Being a victim of a murder doesn’t make you a good person?
What? Who murdered Putin? What the fuck are you on about?
What? Who said anything about Putin being murdered?
I stated that being a victim of something terrible doesn’t mean you’re automatically good.
Yes it does you absolute buffoon. If you are being attacked as part of an invasion that means you are automatically and without question on the good side if youre defending yourself.
If you argue in any other way you deserve to have your opinions and arguments laughed at online.You are the victim, but that doesn’t make you 100% good XD.
Ukraine has a problem with Nazism, but that doesn’t mean they should be invaded by Russia.
This tells me that you both think that Putin invaded Ukraine because of the nazism (he didn’t) and that you shouldn’t invade a country for being full of nazis (you absolutely should) Congratulations, the average liberal once again managed to support the worst of both sides.
it doesn’t mean both sides are bad in every single conflict
But you’re implying it. You’re implying far greater equivalence exists than there is.
If English isn’t your native language, then let me help you.
both sides are bad
Is wrong. That is a final judgement, and it is wrong
both sides have faults
Is correct, and what you mean. It still isn’t good, but is closer to what you mean.
Also, on the topic of left, right, centrist and moderates (etc), you should be aware of the concept of the Overton Window. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) I am not going to support the entirety of the concept, but the basic relevance is that “if the general trend of the times is for people to be more right wing, then what you thought was central becomes what was right wing in the past”. This is a fault / problem with describing an idiology not on its own, but only in relation to others.
Language is used for communicating ideas and thoughts, and if you don’t use it “correctly”, in the manner that other people use it, then you will be misunderstood.
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There is a “peace organization” here in Sweden, Svenska Freds, that are hard core pacifists. No matter what - pacifists. Their reasoning is like children. War is bad, everybody should be friends, the end. Reality should conform to this simple principle.
In the early days of the invasion, their loud public stance was that Sweden should not support Ukraine with military equipment. Ukraine was just as bad as Russia for defending themselves with weapons when they should use reason and diplomacy.
Then they got all weepy in the media when people called them useful idiots for Russia.
Absolutely hate those sorts of people. I’m a pacifist too, but not at the cost of my own life.
Pacifism. Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security. Mr Savage remarks that ‘according to this type of reasoning, a German or Japanese pacifist would be “objectively pro-British”.’ But of course he would be! That is why pacifist activities are not permitted in those countries (in both of them the penalty is, or can be, beheading) while both the Germans and the Japanese do all they can to encourage the spread of pacifism in British and American territories. The Germans even run a spurious ‘freedom’ station which serves out pacifist propaganda indistinguishable from that of the P.P.U. They would stimulate pacifism in Russia as well if they could, but in that case they have tougher babies to deal with. In so far as it takes effect at all, pacifist propaganda can only be effective against those countries where a certain amount of freedom of speech is still permitted; in other words it is helpful to totalitarianism.
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There’s this codepink in u.s. thats like this organization too, except only think remarkable about them is when their website was flooded with signatures from trolls that said things like hating african americans, praising zelensky or putin AND hitler in same sentence and using putin’s credentials as if it were a regular signature.
Source?
This reminds me of that cunt Caitlin Johnstone saying the simple solution in Ukraine was detente. As if that is an option when you’re defending against the entire removal of your culture, history, heritage, and people.
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Oh most enlightened one, ye who stands upon the highest of moral ground, please share with us your illuminated opinion of how the Ukraine should have responded? Or for that matter, any enemy who wishes to take your land and kill your people.
Clearly you are the most learned among us, and have solved the puzzle of how to overcome a violent enemy without resorting to violence, so please I beg of you oh sage one to teach us your great wisdom so that we may be as ethically correct as you.
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Aww I missed their rage response, I am guessing they had no better response than “let the violent party take whatever they want”? Yeah cause that’s a super great plan, and definitely doesn’t incentivize more violence.
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Good Lawd, check your blood pressure, you look worrying with all these caps and bolds
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So if your country was being invaded you’d just lie down and take it? Perhaps even say thank you? You’re naive to think that talking will magically solve things when you’re against an enemy who clearly doesn’t have the same moral standards as you. They’re attempting to take what they want with force, they’ve already demonstrated that they don’t care for niceties like negotiation.
Imagine trying to talk it out with a mugger. They don’t care what you want to talk about. They want your money.
Every downvote is a vote for death, hatred, and suffering of innocents
This makes you sound like those moronic Facebook posts that say things like “1 like = 1 prayer, ignore = you hate puppies”. It’s not a good look.
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Please go to Ukraine and test this routine on Russian soldiers, it will go really well for you, like that ad of Kendall Jenner solving racism with a Pepsi
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Would I rather be alive and in a position to negotiate my freedom than dead?
I already gave you the mugger analogy, so one of three things is happening.
- You didn’t read what I said.
- You don’t understand what I said.
- You are purposefully ignoring what I said.
In any of these cases, it appears you are not debating in good faith. As such, I will no longer engage. Goodbye.
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This guy would help the Russians if they invaded his country. Just vile.
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Here, let me bring some light into your understanding of the matter.
Imagine, and I want you to really visualize this, a large man has a visible gun on his belt. He demands that you strip nude and give him everything you have. There is no path you can run towards, he’s blocking the only exit and, again, has a gun. It just so happens that you also have a gun, and unlike his, yours is already drawn. What do you do?
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How funny, it seems you’re dodging the very simple question. Almost like you’re devoid of intellectual honesty.
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I advocate the defense of people and cities. You advocate their surrender. You would trade anything for peace, especially justice. You would rather have a negative peace than accept that the world is not as simple as you would like it to be, and there are some enemies who are simply not interested in negotiation. You are what we call a “useful idiot.”
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What justice is there in rolling over and saying, “no, we don’t have a right to self-determination in any way, please take anything you want, Russia!” If push came to shove you would be a collaborator, and aider and abetter of war crimes to save your own skin, and that cognitive dissonance makes you so uncomfortable that you put on this humanitarian act in order to maintain a moral high ground that does not exist. It is not virtuous to allow others to kill you, dominate you, and steal from you. It is monstrous to imply that Russia’s right to delusions of empire trump Ukraine’s right to determine their country’s affairs, and even more monstrous to use the death of innocents as a shield for your craven delusions that everything would be fine if people just gave the naked aggressors everything they want.
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WW2 happened because of retards like you.
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Man what a dogshit take lol
Lie and paint japan as a an evil, aggressive, horrible enemy? If anything allied propaganda was below the mark regarding just how evil the Japanese were. Nanjing? Manilla? Shanghai? Unit 731?
What a fucking idiot!
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So the solution is that the one side that already has a bunch of guns, gets to kill as many people on the other side, and we must not help the other side defend themselves?
Always give the aggressor everything they want and let them kill as many civilians as they need to.
Sure.
temporarily get some of what they want while things are worked out
Some of what they want = to own all of Ukraine, and for Ukrainians to not exist as a culture, let alone a nation.
There’s no temporary about it. There’s no “some of what they want” about it. Negotiations have been tried time and time again. Ceasefires have been tried, but guess what, Russia just bombarded the civilian evacuation corridors when they were negotiated because the goal is to kill as many Ukrainians as possible.
Putin is not rational, this is an ego war. I take it you were never bullied in school. You might not know what it’s like when someone’s main goal in life is to make yours hell. You can just lay on the ground and play dead, that won’t stop them from kicking you. There’s no talking your way out of it unless you yourself are at least as strong as the bully. This is what Russia is. A schoolyard bully. Any type of negotiated peace short of total capitulation is going to be nothing more than a way to catch Ukraine with its’ pants down and kill more Ukrainians and grab more territory. The only way Russia will stop killing innocent people is if they either run out of resources, or Putin himself gets deposed.
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I seem to remember a certain Jew that was a pacifist and advocated “turning the other cheek.” What a chump. /s
That same jew also violently threw merchants out of a temple. People are complicated.
Then faked a suicide by cop. Seriously, some people… I can’t even. /s
If you believe the Bible, then he was literally God. Zelensky isn’t that.
Have you seen his comedy show? He’s close enough… /s
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I was trying to show this poster the hypocrisy of their comment. Jesus was a pacifist, therefore we should be too.
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*raped, tortured, and shot
The children were ravenous demons! Foaming at the mouth!
Our hands were forced. We had to kidnap them from their families we killed and send them to residential schools.
Omg, (after we killed their parents with missiles) we found all these poor orphans, abandoned!
did china shoot children recently?
I dont get it.
i think its meant to be a ussr flag
russia is not close to being the ussr since the early 90s though
He didn’t say they were.
He said the Russian flag is apparently based on the Soviet flag.
Have you seen the Russian Federation flag?
Hint: it’d be hard to get them confused.
they are completely different flags
Yes…
That’s the point.
It’s weird how people across the political spectrum think they’re still the USSR
TBF, it’s not like modern Russia particularly objects to the idea
It very much does.
I think people tend to confuse Russian irredentism with wanting to bring back communism when all they really want is the USSR’s borders. Which were, mind you, largely the Russian Empire’s borders.
If the Russian oligarchy is going to force a return to their roots I feel like they’d just bring back the monarchy.
There certainly is a socialist movement in Russia that wouldn’t mind returning to a socialist state but there are very few who actually want to return to a totalitarian one, and if it’s not totalitarian it’s not really what people mean by the USSR, is it?
I was talking more about wanting the prestige back
it’s not like modern Russia particularly objects to the idea
Here is correction for you: it’s not like Putin objects to the image of empire.
But he don’t want everything else that came with USSR like good schools, good hospitals, good wages for teachers and doctors, housing for everyone. Because money spent on anything above is money not spent on his yacht.
USSR was 15 countries including Ukraine.
I mean, yes, definitely they have. But they were probably Uyghurs or something so sympathizers don’t mind.
There’s a lot of context clues, do we need to start making remedial memes for the slow kids?
the context clue being…? ukraine is at war with china now?
You know who Ukraine is at war with don’t you? Obviously the flag is representing them. Surprised I needed to spell it out, it was already drawn in crayons for you.
russian flag is not red. it hasnt been for 3 decades, i assume you are aware of it?
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if they meant to represent russia why use the chinese flag?
are you the kind of people this piece of propaganda aimed for?
Because nobody cares. Slava Ukraini. Fuck Russia.
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Are you suggesting violence?
Hopefully.
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I think NATO is a tool for capitalist imperialism and therefore fascist. Should we use violence against NATO?
You obviously cannot use your brain, otherwise you wouldn’t say such a stupid thing, but yes. If they were fascist then we should use violence to make them go away. Tiny problem. NATO is not that and you are an idiot for saying such a thing with seriousness.
Thanks for the joke and letting me answer it seriously.Don’t listen to me, maybe consider a think tanks opinion. >Source But yeah, I’m the idiot. /s
You know things have gone bad when you’re relying on a libertarian think tank literally founded by Charles Koch (as in, the Koch Brothers) as your source
Maybe a Lebanese source then. Maybe Venezuelan? Maybe a Marxist perspective? Oh wait, you want the neoliberalist to tell you when NATO is fascist. Good luck with your wait.
Yes you are. And i will leave it to the other people that have already told you why to continue. The mods here will probably delete this comment because I haven’t been nice to you :(((
I hope not. I respect the discourse despite the insults. Maybe try to see the world from a less Americanized lens.
If NATO is supposed to be a defensive alliance, it should not operate outside of its own borders under any circumstances, yet it has done so multiple times in the past.
In theory it is an alliance of equals, but in practice it is an enforcer of the foreign policy of its most powerful member, the US. As with Russia in the USSR and the larger Warsaw Pact. If that wasn’t the case, the US would have no use for NATO and would just leave, which is what many European countries would want to avoid at all costs.
Mhm. Sure buddy.
Great rebuke.
The way modern weapons work, defending from within your own borders just isn’t practical anymore. A simple example is those rockets constantly used for strikes in the middle east - often deployable from outside established borders.
The only true safeguard against those strikes is having a constant awareness of what’s going on - for instance, someone deploying thousands of soldiers right to the edge of their border without actually crossing.
you know that the whole Middle East thing wasn’t due to NATO?
I guess I know what you’re trying to say, but not even remotely close to what fascism means.
I know it’s not fascism by definition, it is metaphorical. Capitalism decays into fascism.
Capitalism doesn’t inherently decay into anything, it does help those who would enact fascism tho, but that is a VERY different beast.
Is it though? ;/
My friend NATO was started by a literal nazi, it’s not fascist because it’s imperialist. It’s fascist because it’s fascist.
Only devil’s advocate in war I will ever advocate for is “what happens to the populace when their government eventually gets collapsed”
Russian government is corrupt as hell and the military is fucked, dont get me wrong, but if we get a repeat of Brazil/Korea/etc. where a ‘west-friendly’ dictator is installed, I would rather them be under their current gov
Do Brazil and NK have West friendly leaders? First I’ve heard.
North Korea is as it is BECAUSE of what the US did to South Korea. When your neighbor, previous countrymen get taken over by a foreign occupying force and you have no allies to protect you, you get weird and reclusive in self-defense
what are you talking about? North Korea is literally the Chinese created Buffer state, if you want to talk about legitimacy, the state of Korea before the China/Russia backed civil war (North Korea somehow had modern Russian MIGs, and most of their army spoke only Chinese) is what because south Korea.
North Korea is an isolationist because it is a despotic dictatorship.
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Does it count if the last president wasn’t pro West and did everything a Russian asset would do?
It’s Russia. It will be a dictator or nothing, it is their culture and has been for centuries.
Yeah-yeah. All Russian are genetic slaves and should be sanctioned, cross border naked and only on foot, except those who have millions of stolen money in bank account are definetly not genetic slaves, but honorary citizens.
That’s not quite what I meant, but I understand how it could be taken that way. I’m just kind of sour because they had ridiculous strongman after ridiculous strongman in the Tsars, had a genuine worker’s revolt, and then squandered it on ridiculous strongman after ridiculous strongman, then that government folded only to be replaced by a ridiculous strongman. The Russian people deserve way better than that, but it sort of seems like they don’t feel like better is possible. I can sympathize, Americans are similar that way, and I think Americans will elect empty suit after empty suit, because American culture is superficial in the same way that Russian culture is fatalistic about power and corruption.
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I personaly don’t give rat’s arse what happens to russians when their government collapses. They brought it onto themselves, both by being “apolitical about it all” or by supporting and cheering the government all the way back ten years ago when it was just “little green men” and “polite people”.
And how about the millions who weren’t okay with Putin, but were forced into silence because one person can’t fight governmental tyranny? Like, I don’t support Russia’s invasion and I think Putin needs to pay, but do millions of Russians who had no say whatsoever (and were brainwashed for decades through expertly crafted propaganda) deserve to starve alongside their children for the actions of a monster?
If you say ‘yes’, then tell me if all Americans deserve to suffer the consequence of Trump’s presidency when the majority didn’t even vote for the guy.
Yes, because none of them stood up against Putin.
Trump didn’t invade Mexico tho
What, you expected people to stand up against a tinpot dictator who would happily torture them and their families? Would you do that?
And Trump was literally about to take the final step towards killing democracy in America. He might not have invaded Mexico during his term, but he sure was setting up the environment where he could’ve gotten away with it and quashed any protest against it.
What, you expected people to stand up against a tinpot dictator who would happily torture them and their families? Would you do that?
yes. it’s a family tradition after all, sometimes there ARE things worth dying for.
And Trump was literally about to take the final step towards killing democracy in America. He might not have invaded Mexico during his term, but he sure was setting up the environment where he could’ve gotten away with it and quashed any protest against it.
most of the military was not on Trumps side, it at best would have sparked a civil war, and the trump-tards aren’t that great in number
As a brazilian being screwed by our corrupt communist president but hate the US imperialism as well, we should just nuke Brazil ☺️
Learn what communism is lol
Or social democracy, which actually works
He is literally in the brazilian Worker’s Party, which unsurprisingly is a communist party, and also said “being called a communist is something to be proud of”. I am stating facts.
If I say I’m an Olympic Athlete I don’t suddenly become an Olympic Athlete.
People can say they’re communist all they want but I’ve never heard of a “””communist””” leader that wasn’t just a fascist in disguise.
Ok
I meant Pinochet not Lula, Lula is chill
Lula getting ignored at UN 💀
Pretty shit example considering what Ukraine did to civilians during 2014 but good on you for picking a side!
U mean, like protecting their citizens from external aggression?
No I mean like militia gangs burning office workers alive during the coup and the air force bombing office buildings in the donbass
Russia does love sending
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Hey everyone, come point and laugh at this tanky using the only rhetoric tankies have. This dude is unironically pro Russia kidnapping children from Ukraine and most likely also pro Chinese genocide. What a piece of shit.
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Is about Elon fucking up last month with starlink?
Don’t get Musky Billionaire involved please, he’s just puking out nonsense.
As is the protagonist in this comic. So it’s a fair assumption.
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- Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html
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It’s called “Azov Assault Brigade” now, expanded in February 2023:
- Azov Brigade: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade
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What flag is that on the right
I think it’s a version of the USSR flag, with an X instead of the hammer and sickle.
Wasn’t Ukraine part of the USSR?
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So Ukraine and 14 other countries were liberated from… Whom?
A country that no longer exists, but a megalomaniac is trying to start a reunion tour. Thankfully they haven’t been as successful as they would like to be.
Megalomaniac is trying to start colonization tour. To be fair he helps EU enlargement, so you are also right in some way.
