I have seen a few of these with similar story lines and realized we are living it right now. They have the best healthcare, the best food, the best everything and most of us are a few dollars from disaster. That scares some of us to death literally from all the stress it causes.
Elysium!
You’re not wrong. And anybody who could afford to stop them is too busy fighting a culture war to organize. Who do you think is stoking animosity? MLKJ wasn’t assassinated for civil rights, it was for the Poor Peoples Campaign. The only thing that could stop them is the unity of all those living paycheck to paycheck, regardless of religion or race.
I feel like a movement is actually happening, but slowly. Look at all these unions forming and people striking all around. It gives me hope, to be honest. The media is fighting it hard and somewhat succeeding, but just to an extent. We will win
That sounds like a pretty terrible dystopian movie that should not be made into real life.
So, please, support the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes. Hopefully there will be some good news soon.
Don’t forget the UAW!
Of course. We are all in this together.
Any news on the strikes? Isn’t there three different strikes going on at the same time? Writers, Actors, and CGI Artists I think.
WGA strike is basically over now, SAG-AFTRA strike is still going.
Just get your negligent employer to irradiate you and give you cancer, making you a man with nothing to lose and then go up there and get your cure while toppling the status quo. Easy.
Just give me a cool robotic exoskeleton and I’m sold
Bravo sir.
Bravo
Good sci fi usually isn’t about the future, aliens, etc. It’s about the present, but portrayed in a strange way so as to bypass your existing preconceptions about the situation, so you can look at it with fresh eyes.
It also makes it ‘safe’ to discuss controversial topics, because it’s ‘only scifi’ (or horror/fantasy).
Allows creators and authors to fly under the radar with stuff that could potentially get you arrested, censored, cause controversy or end your career. Prime example, Tarkovski movies like Solaris or Stalker, which are full of religious metaphors, despite being released in the USSR.
All I know is the second the very second that we are sure they’re starting to build the cloud cities, we need to start murdering people. You can’t let him finish the cloud cities. Cannot happen. The second construction starts we start cutting off heads. That’s our only chance.
Stopping things now would be easier than the future. In the future they’ll perfect the killer dog robots etc. and things will get harder.
Mass surveillance is more powerful than killer dog robots and they already have it.The idea of solving our problems by mass murdering rich people was always stupid, but it’s already too late for that anyway.
We should start cutting off heads right now tbh
Also: guns are bad, ban them all, only the police and military should own them…
Am I right???
Ah nice, the “everyone who isn’t a conservative is on the left” tactic. It lets you compress 80% of all ideologies into “the left,” which means you can accuse everyone in “the left” of the stupid shit tankies and liberals believe at the same time!
The ends do not justify the means
Oh no, they are not means. They are retribution.
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Kill now
They’re not building a cloud city though. They are trying to get away with rockets and space ships.
You mean something like NEOM The Line in Saudi Arabia?
Nah, that’s just the stupid ideas from stupid people that the actual arcology architects are saying “Let them cook!” about. It will be a case study when the real Elysiums start getting built.
The line . They are already building arcologies.
It is almost like Elysium was a metaphor for something
That’s unpossible
Same as it ever was.
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Same as it ever was.
“Cyberpunk was a warning, not an aspiration,” == Mike Pondsmith (creator of the Cyberpunk TTRPG)
People working 40 hours to make 10 things. Technology improves so that one person can make 20 things in 40 hours. People now get paid twice as much? People now only work 20 hours? Nope! Half as many people now work at the same pay. The rest have to go find something else to do.
What’s your counterargument when I mention that technology creates jobs and specialty positions? Especially for autistic people.
I’m pretty sure @randon31415@lemmy.world was trying to create a simplified example. To include a generic autistic tech we can modify the example to “40 people making 10 things an hour. A clever autistic person comes along and writes a computer script that improves efficiency. Now 19 people make 20 things an hour, the autistic tech makes 5 times as much as one of the original people and has the specialty job of maintaining the script, the business owner lays off 20 people (4x of their pay compensates the tech) and the business owner pockets the other 16x as extra profit”
The 19 people still employed don’t get any more pay for their extra efficiency, nor do they get any more time off.
The 20 people who were let go at no fault of their own now apparently don’t get to eat or live or have any kind of security until they reeducate themselves to a new line of work.
The autistic tech doesn’t understand where their additional pay comes from, but is happy to get rewarded well for their good work.
If questioned about why the 20 people needed to be let go, the business owner will blame the scripts efficiency instead of their own decision to pocket the money.
However, to answer your question directly: it does not matter how many new jobs or specialty positions are created - if the net pay available to workers is reduced and the net jobs workers can fill are reduced, some workers are destined to get the short straw.
People have been complaining about technology forever. The south complained about machinery that would make slavery obsolete. There’s no pleasing these people.
This guy wants all of the benefits of technology at a low price, but doesn’t want any of the change that occurs from that benefit. What happens if you make everyone work 20 hrs in his example? Everyone makes half what they did before and can’t afford anything. What happens if you fire half the workers in his example? Half the workers can afford the tech but no one else. Which one allows the company to keep selling the tech? The scenario where half are fired… BUT How about we keep all the people like he claims is possible? Then the price of the tech must double. But this guy doesn’t want that because that must be a greedy company. So how will they pay all those employees? What happens when someone else makes the tech with fewer employees and thus lower cost?
So yeah… Tech always requires some to retrain. But society always benefits as a whole.
The only certainty in life is that life is uncertain. To complain about change is just being lazy and refusing to accept change.
|What happens if you make everyone work 20 hrs in his example?
If they are paid for what they make and not the time they spend, everyone earns the same and the workers have more free time. It is this insistence that pay = time which divorces productivity gains from benefiting the worker.
Competition. Someone is highly likely to figure out how to shave costs. Then the company can’t even sell the thing and the people lose their jobs.
The point of an hourly wage is that it’s a contract to be paid some hourly amount regardless of how many things are sold. The company bears most of the risk. Sales are always dynamic. So how can the company pay the employees for every widget made if the things they make aren’t selling for a price that covers the cost of paying the employees?
Any thing created will never sell consistently and never sell forever. So again, skill must change. Marketable skills are always changing. During tech change, the price and demand of the old product drops.
From 1900 to 1920 millions of people lost their jobs to cars. They spent their entire lives around horses. Leather work, carriages, blacksmiths, farm equipment, etc. In just 20 years the horse and carriage was toast. Everyone had to reskill for cars and other jobs because cars took fewer people to make than trending to all the horse stuff.
A modern example is computers. Until the 80s and 90s there were huge work forces processing everything with paper. It wasn’t just those workers that had to reskill. The paper mills had to reduce output. Fewer printing houses. Fewer printing press repairmen. Fewer parts manufacturers for the presses. Less ink. Less forestry management for paper. And so on.
Then how do we incentivize the non-shareholders into more efficient practices? Remember, Occam’s Tweezers
It surprises me how many people dont realize that most rich people are rich because of poor people.
Stop change your phone each year, stop buying brand clothes, stop going to movie and music concerts. Start buying clothes by your local people, support new artists.
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Battle Angel Alita is exactly what I was thinking, it’s also a great movie it deserves a sequel!
Well on the plus side cardboard drones laden with explosives are cheaper than ever. /s
That /s is doin some heavy lifting
It wouldn’t fly without the lift.
I feel like we’re actually the prequel to WALL-E
Have you read/watched Alita: Battle Angel? That’s the situation there.
This is one of them. yes.
You should check out the movie Elysium.
I knew this reminded me of a movie, just couldn’t remember the name. Thanks.
It has never been any different. It’s worse and exponentially more visible, but is not new by any means.
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Team blue is calling out Melendez for corruption. So maybe the infallible thing is false?
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Are you sure the down votes are not because of what you said instead of who you said it about?
When it comes to “Vote blue no matter who” it is because team red has no plan other than get their guy in office. That guy fomented an insurrection, we all saw it happen live. That guy has already promised retribution if elected. There are groups readying plans to fire “non-loyal” federal workers the day that guy takes office and replace them with sycophants. That is literally an existential crisis for our country.
In addition, team red has tried to stop aid to Ukraine, repeatedly. Nobody outside of team red thinks it should be cut. Doing so would only benefit Russia.
Team red believes so much misinformation that they do not know how far out of touch with reality they are.
There are legitimate reasons to discuss politics when they have us so close to a precipice. I think we should be fighting about politics and wealth hoarders at the same time!
Yeah it’s not about Dems thinking anyone is infallible. Largely they’re pretty clear about denouncing their own when it’s deserved. It’s about being presented a ballot where your options are a polished turd or a fresh smelly chili shart plopped into a bowl and poured on your head. There are no good choices to vote republican, and when presented with this dichotomy I’ll vote blue every time until a better option is presented to me. Get better candidates and then we’ll talk.
That said I don’t disagree with the core of your statement here. The whole institution is rotten to the core. I’m just tired of people projecting hero-worship onto democratic voters. That’s a republican thing. We don’t really do that. You have to earn the respect of democrats. I voted for Biden because I couldn’t stomach another round of Trump and was presented no other option, and I’ll do it again if I have to. Doesn’t mean I love him. Doesn’t mean I even particularly like him, because I don’t really, I think he sticks too close to the status quo. But he’s by far the lesser of two evils.
The downvotes are probably from people conditioned from experience to be dealing with rabid trumptards that either won’t or can’t listen to any viewpoint. A majority of arguments that begin with “But Biden-” fall into that category. Dems will listen to and readily agree with legitimate criticism, it just has to be couched within an intelligent argument.
while Team Blue has their side convinced that everybody on Team Blue is infallible just because Team Red exists.
I’ve found it to be quite the opposite. Team Blue opposes Team Red and half of the people on Team Blue too. It’s split into all these different agenda and identity groups and they’re all so very eager to tear each other apart with labels and accusations if you don’t toe the exact line that’s currently being drawn. It’s a given that any time you have a large group of thoughtful individuals you’re going to have some inter-group bickering. But Team Blue is more divided and combative against themselves than I’ve ever seen before in my lifetime.
hating trump is glue
