• AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world
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      You try riding a bike in a foot of snow for 15 miles to the grocery when it’s -10F outside, then carry a week’s groceries for your family in your backpack. I’ll wait.

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          If you live 15 miles from the grocery store in a place that gets a lot of snow, it most certainly is. Not everywhere in the world is LA.

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            That’s a badly designed town. You should be able to do your shopping within reasonable walking distance - you know you want poor people to not need to own a car, you want health conscious people do a little bit of active travel when they need groceries

            I live about as far from a supermarket as you can in my town, so two are each about 5km (3 miles) away, with both having a small collection of shops, and the supermarket occupying less than a quarter of the centre

            I also recall watching a video from one of the Nordic countries on the subject of cycling in winter

            Their method: wear warm clothes

            They had an advantage though in that loads of people ride there

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            The number of people who live in such a situation is a rounding error in the population of L.A., though. It’s also a strange response to my observation that it’s a really short trip if your car A/C doesn’t have time to get cold.

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        Depending on the kids ages, they also can ride, or ride in a trailer. The dog can ride in a basket or trailer depending on size

        Go for a Dutch style cargo bike and the kids and dog can ride up front in the tub

        Surely the real reason is the terrible bike infrastructure where you live

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          We have some excellent bike trails, but getting around town is problematic. I work from home, so I no longer have to commute, but when I did, it was too far to reasonably bike. It’s not safe to take the kids riding on the highways, but we’re close enough to the elementary school to bike there when the weather is nice.

          I’m an advocate for biking, but it’s not a realistic replacement for a car where I live. You can’t load up like a pack mule every time you want groceries or to go to a little league game.

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        That’s very sad, and you have my sympathies. I wish that more places were designed so that kids could have a “free-range childhood.” The benefits to their physical, mental, and emotional development are significant, versus having to be carted around everywhere. Not to mention the burden on parents of being forced to be chauffeurs.

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          I lived a free range childhood in a neighborhood with sidewalks, where we could bike everywhere and walk to and from elementary school. We still had a family minivan, and my dad commuted to work. My kids can still ride their bikes around our neighborhood, but our world is bigger than our neighborhood. They have friends that live on the other side of mountains and highways. They have hiking trails and music lessons and sports and dance and theater, and hardly any of that would be possible on bikes because you can’t fit baseball diamonds next to theaters next to music halls and national parks and art studios unless you live inside a major city. When I was a kid, we would all meet at the dirt piles behind the middle school and then go explore storm drains.

          I enjoyed my childhood, but I don’t lament that my kids have more options and opportunities than I did. Yes, we need a car to drive them around to play with their friends or attend events, and I enjoy being engaged in their lives and watching them enjoy the things they learn. But they still have summer days where the neighborhood kids meet at the creek and try to catch minnows.

          Things change.