• Rob Bos@lemmy.ca
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    The Vancouver protest did well, outnumbering the assfaces by quite a bit. Multiples, maybe 5:1. Hard to tell.

    Their talking points were incoherent and inconsistent. One person will tell you that they only care about teaching children and have nothing against trans people, and the next person will start screaming THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS.

    Their chant game was absolute shit, they clearly hadn’t workshopped for cadence or pithiness.

    Lots of American politics mixed in, lots of attempts to shame the crowd about “free speech”, they got a couple kids up to scream at the crowd.

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      Because there is literally no credible argument against teaching children about being tolerant towards gay and trans kid, other than hate on LGBTQIA+.

      Hopefully with kids learning tolerance from an early age, they wont grow to be intolerant idiots like their parents

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          If you want to be upset about children getting gender surgeries, then rage at circumcisions and forced gender reassignment for intersex infants, because no one is giving transgender children gender surgery or hormone treatments. The only thing kids may receive (within the us and canada, I’m not sure about other countries) is puberty blockers, which are safe and reversible simply by stopping their usage.
          https://www.healthline.com/health/are-puberty-blockers-reversible

          Drag storytime is not sexual at all, don’t fall for that lie. There are many different types of drag shows; storytime and adult burlesque are miles apart in differences.

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            This is informative but kinda of rude. The OP just said they don’t know if that’s a valid concern or not they didn’t “want to be upset” at anything.

            Sorry to jump on this, but I just find that people immediately dogpile on anyone who says anything other than “pride good”.

            Appreciate the link and info though.

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              I was plenty nice. If you had to constantly defend your existence, you might get a little touchy about it too. You do not have the right to tell me how to react to that… are trans people not allowed a bit of frustration when we have to deal with this 24/7? I do not owe anyone pleasantries when they’re pushing propaganda, and whether they meant to or not is irrelevant when the outcome is the same- propaganda being pushed. You’re welcome for the link, but please stop telling trans people how they should act, yeah?

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                I hear you, that seems like it would be frustrating. I just think you’re doing your own cause a disservice by attacking folks that admit they don’t know. I think in OP’s case you’re painting them as a adversary when they’re mostly on your side.

                Anyway, you do you, I’m just hoping you’ll think about it a bit. All the best.

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                  Trans folks do not owe you kindness as payment for existence. Do not respond, I’ll be blocking you cause you’re still trying to tell me how I should act in the face of anti-trans propaganda, which is pretty fucked up.

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                  Do you tell Jewish people they should be kind to antisemitic remarks? Being nice to bigoted shittakes is not a way to live

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              I’m just asking questions…

              A person can choose to learn by repeating lies on social media so they can be “dog-piled” and have their statements picked apart, or they can google “what trans healthcare can minors access in Canada?” If they choose the former, they probably have thick skin by now.

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                I getcha, I’m just saying that engaging with people who ask a question by implying they’re stupid or malicious isn’t a great way to reach them, or others that read what you’ve written.

                Maybe you disagree, but just think about it some.

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                  Actually, I directly suggested they were misinformed and not malicious, rather than implying anything. Since then, they confirmed their intent by moving the goalposts away from their clearly disprovable point, rather than acknowledging that they might have been misinformed by an irresponsible source.

                  I’ve thought about this issue plenty, thank you for implying that I’m acting thoughtlessly.

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          You are spreading lies. I hope it’s unintentional.

          Minors are not getting gender surgery and the few that get access to anything hormonal are not offered anything irreversible.

          Equating “story time” with adult burlesque is just simple bigotry. Someone dressing up as a princess to read a story to kids isn’t burlesque, regardless of their gender.

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              How do you know story time is lead by burlesque performers? And how would you know if a woman in the library reading to kids is not also a night performer? You are the one making that connection. Gender and gendered clothing are not sex. The reason they are making a big deal out drag story time is to associate cross-dressing with sexual performance (i.e., inappropriate for kids). Why, you ask? So that the mere existence of trans women in our communities can be considered inappropriate.

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            So delaying or stopping puberty, for how long? your body will turn out exactly like if you had not delayed/stopped hormones?

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              Well, I’m no medical professional, but medical professionals have been prescribing puberty blockers for other things for decades, and if they were as dangerous as all that, then you’d think the FDA would have banned that by now.

              Besides which, access to treatments like those ones are documented to reduce rates of self-harm, including suicide, among kids with gender dysphoria. And if your metric is the body turning out like it would have without these treatments, well, I hope I don’t need to fill in the blank for you.

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                    More than suicide yes, but the science is not there to be able to say its basically reversible. It will have an effect being without sex hormones during when you should have started puberty. Im not against the treatment, it just sounds ridicolous to say its will have no impact on your boodys development.

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              We live in an age where we have countless information at our fingertips. Google scholar is literally a browser click away. If they don’t like social media answers from individuals because they’re too rude then they should do their own research, on their own time, instead of complaining about the quality of free labor from a minority group that is constantly forced to justify their existence ALL the time. 🤷‍♂️

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                That’s not fair to OP. He didn’t complain about the answers anywhere. I’m just suggesting to folks here that maybe you’d reach more people if you didn’t imply that anyone who asks a question is either stupid or malicious.

                It doesn’t seem too crazy to me to say that someone should be able to enter a conversation and say they don’t know something without being attacked.

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                  OK now I now you’re trolling. Where did I attack the person I was responding to? This is just manufactured drama, how very reddit of you.

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          The whole point is to give educated information to children/teenagers. If one goes to the counselor and tells that they think they might be trans, the school will give proper information about it.

          People act as if drugs are being given in lunch time to the kids.

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          Drag Queens are just people dressed fancily in a different gender’s clothing. It is not sexual or inherently adult oriented. As Drag performers are artists and performers most are quite capable of tailoring their act for their audience so a show for families is not the sane act as one for adult clubs.

          You are really confused by the looks of your post.

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          There’s even more letters now:

          • 2S, because one letter isn’t grand enough
          • at the front, because anything else would be called racist.

          I call them Alphabet rights, because I know I’m going to miss one, and thankfully my more-involved friends show me the charity of teasing me for that only a bit.

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            Why would anyone tease you for that? Unless you’re a member of the community, why would anyone expect you to keep up to date?

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              Because generally speaking, friends tease each other over mild, inconsequential things. You can tease each other over serious things, but you run a greater risk of your friend not finding it funny.

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      The Vancouver protest did well, outnumbering the assfaces by quite a bit. Multiples, maybe 5:1. Hard to tell.

      Good to hear