Antivax types are all anti pushing vaccine on to people but if they don’t want to get vaccinated then it still won’t affect vaccinated folks. From my rough understanding, getting vaccinated keeps you alive or get less severe symptoms, but you can still pass it on.

So if antivax people don’t get it, then why not just let them die?

Edit: posted to !askscience@lemmy.world too because I just found out that existed

  • Paragone@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Should critical-thinking be taught in education?

    It’s the same principle, mandatory-input-into-population overriding self-centered-“freedom”-that-competes-against-the-worth-of-the-commons…

    Should YOU have any right to decide what the billions-of-cells-in-your-body eat?

    XOR shouldn’t your body’s cells have THEIR rule overriding you, individual-cellular-freedom, etc…

    It’s the same paradigm-question, just at a different scale.


    Obviously, you’re going to hold that YOU have the right to override tissue-preferences within your body ( so you have the right to outright-exterminate any growing cancer within your body ),

    but you may hold that rights stop with the individual, & the population has zero rights to its viability…

    That is a rather Western narcissism that just doesn’t fly in traditional-tribal-cultures, which were the normal human-culture for the … perhaps million … years before our agriculture created guilds/castes/monarchy-oligarchy/feudalism.


    Crack the question’s principle, & then you have an answer which is right at all scales.

    Decide instead that YOU are the only-valid-scale for all questions, & then you have the right to butcher-the-whole-for-sake-of-narcissistic-gain, while simultaneously deciding that within-your-body, no subset has any right to rule for its own sake, only YOU have the right to rule: contradictory-law at different scales, iow.


    IF the overall-benefit is greater than the rights of the individual, THEN one aquires the responsibility to differentiate between institutions gaslighting about operating for the overall’s benefit ( while really operating for their-own-institutional-benefit, at the cost of the overall ), vs those who actually are operating for the overall-benefit:

    the complexity goes up, the number-of-dimensions-of-corruption goes up, but the potential-gain goes waaay up, if one gets it right.

    ( airliners are not “mere opinion” or “mere belief”: they actually work, & they actually work because of collaboration, teamwork, economic-organization, diverse-contributions, etc.

    The same is true of research, of fitness, of culture, etc.

    Collaboration can produce MASSIVELY greater results, & that is also true when collaboration eradicates the rapid-spread of diseases/plagues, simply because not enough are getting infected, per day, to amplify the spread, see? )

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    • /home/pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      I am aware of all these high risk individuals, but what I didn’t initially understand was how being vaccinated will limit spread any further than an unvaccinated population. As some users have pointed out to me, being vaccinated limits the time you have with the disease as your body is battling it out, so herd immunity works and finally makes sense to me.

  • MagicianWithABadPlan@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    People do not have the right to act in a way that decidedly harms others, and spreading disease counts. We all know (I really hope you do) that vaccines do not stop one from getting a disease but they do constrain it, shortening the illness, and reducing the symptoms.

  • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    From my rough understanding, getting vaccinated keeps you alive or get less severe symptoms, but you can still pass it on.

    It greatly reduces the chances of contracting or transmitting the disease, in addition to limiting its severity.

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    1 month ago

    In a nutshell the flaw in your thinking is that yes, you can still pass it on if you’re vaccinated, but… instead of being a carrier that can pass it on for 3 weeks, you might be contagious for a day or 2

    I think you’re doing the anti-vax thing where you find self-satisfying reasons to support your claim, but you won’t bother to examine the validity of those assumptions.

    • /home/pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      1 month ago

      Ah ok thanks for your explanation. I think I understand how herd immunity works now. It’s not that you are unable to pass it on, but that you reduce the time you have with it and limit the spread.