It’s just a factual statement about most modern American elections, what are we supposed to do, pretend it’s not true because you want fresher material?
Are you really claiming to not get the expression “X is on the ballot” to mean it will make a big issue for issue X which party wins? Like for example in 2024 in addition to democracy, abortion will be on the ballot.
Member those dudes beating down the door of a barricaded senate that only stopped because one of their zerglings took a bullet to the neck? I watched a live broadcast of the gallows they had set up and the chants of “Hang Mike Pence.” Member how a former President is literally facing criminal charges for trying to fix the election in Georgia?
ANY OF THIS RINGING A BELL?!?
Or are you one of those “alternate facts” types? Feel free to join my block list.
Maybe it looks that way if you’ve only been at this a couple decades. Given how things have changed slowly over the last 40 and relatively abruptly with the Trump era, I think Democracy has been under fire for a long time.
The problems are that: too few have been aware of it, too many have been apathetic about it. Too few have voted, and too few have been involved beyond the absolute bare minimum of voting.
But the real failing is that the growing corruption – regulatory capture, lobbying, campaign finance, rise of oligopolies in ever more markets, etc. – has left us with neither major party primarily beholden to anyone but the ultra rich and mega corporations.
So I would argue that our realistic choices (since with our election mechanism, we are essentially locked into a choice between only two parties) are …
Democratic – incremental progress socially but mostly status quo economically and little interest in addressing the root problems I mentioned along with failing to address the seriousness of the rising threat of the right wing, loosely similar to the attitude of liberal centrists in the German Weimar Republic of 1930-1933. (I am fully aware that Democratic party is a hodge podge including some left leaning groups but the centrists run the show, I think we can agree)
Republican – long term (40+ year) plan to undermine education, suppress voters, dismantle government safeguards, challenge (by ignoring) fundamental checks and balances, along with regressive social policies (particularly race, sexual orientation, reproductive freedom, gender expression).
If one is actually aware of the GOP’s gerrymandering, active voter suppression, undermining of news media, rejection of the concept of truth and fact, conspiring to overturn the presidential election, anti-intellectualism, stochastic terrorism, active persecution and suppression of marginalized people, criminal activity, and brash corruption, one cannot interpret as anything but a directed, coordinated, doggedly persistent attack on American democracy.
Only one of these two groups severely degraded the operation of the government in the last decade and one of these groups is driven to further establish a theocratic, nationalist, authoritarian, regressive—in short, fascist—rule.
To look at the last twenty years and term “democracy on the ballot” as trope or hyperbole just shows how bad “the new normal” had gotten by the 2000s.
All this has been going on ever since the GOP transformed into a reactionary party in backlash to the Civil Rights era and especially following Nixon’s resignation.
Maybe it looks that way if you’ve only been at this a couple decades. Given how things have changed slowly over the last 40 and relatively abruptly with the Trump era, I think Democracy has been under fire for a long time.
There’s a canyon of difference between “is under fire” and “is on the ballot”.
One of these may be able to be supported through reference and analysis. The other is hyperbolic outrage bait.
But the real failing is that the growing corruption – regulatory capture, lobbying, campaign finance, rise of oligopolies in ever more markets, etc. – has left us with neither major party primarily beholden to anyone but the ultra rich and mega corporations
A failing which precludes the notion one can simply defend democracy by voting blue.
So I would argue that our realistic choices (since with our election mechanism, we are essentially locked into a choice between only two parties) are …
If you’re going to draw arbitrary realistic bars by which to measure, you may as well just stop voting.
Democratic – incremental progress socially but mostly status quo economically and little interest in addressing the root problems I mentioned along with failing to address the seriousness of the rising threat of the right wing, loosely similar to the attitude of liberal centrists in the German Weimar Republic of 1930-1933. (I am fully aware that Democratic party is a hodge podge including some left leaning groups but the centrists run the show, I think we can agree)
I’d argue they’re center-right at best, and actively malicious towards the working class.
Republican – long term (40+ year) plan to undermine education, suppress voters, dismantle government safeguards, challenge (by ignoring) fundamental checks and balances, along with regressive social policies (particularly race, sexual orientation, reproductive freedom, gender expression).
Every single one of these failings applies to Democrats as well - hence the problem.
If one is actually aware of the GOP’s gerrymandering, active voter suppression, undermining of news media, rejection of the concept of truth and fact, conspiring to overturn the presidential election, anti-intellectualism, stochastic terrorism, active persecution and suppression of marginalized people, criminal activity, and brash corruption, one cannot interpret as anything but a directed, coordinated, doggedly persistent attack on American democracy.
Are you still pretending the majority of these don’t apply to Democrats?
Only one of these two groups severely degraded the operation of the government in the last decade and one of these groups is driven to further establish a theocratic, nationalist, authoritarian, regressive—in short, fascist—rule
If you haven’t been paying attention to anything but Salon and Vox, sure, I can see how you’d think that.
To look at the last twenty years and term “democracy on the ballot” as trope or hyperbole just shows how bad “the new normal” had gotten by the 2000s.
Alternatively, it highlights the extent to which media has been crying wolf using such tropes to try and drive blue votes where platform has otherwise utterly failed to do so.
I agree that the new normal is bad - I disagree with using irrational outrage-bait to drive votes in such a manner as to perpetuate every problem behind the new normal.
Again, we’ve been hearing variations of the same fearmongering for decades, and we’ve already seen parallels with either party trying the same in Congress.
It’s fortunate that we have a system of government which generally prevents authoritarian power-grab e.g. as it generally did last time around. Law is difficult to just ignore and Congress has a rich history of partisan circlejerk deadlock. But that’s specific to concentrating executive branch power in the elected individual and seems to entirely miss democratic selection of individual.
This all seems to miss the point, though - even if it was correct this time, the best blue team seems to be able to come up with is the tired rah rah vote for us or vote for fascism crap yet again. It’s as if they’ve recognized they aren’t actually going to try to bring anything to the table that voters want, so in order to try and minimize criticism of those failures, they’re just tripling down on wedge messaging.
Any other bland nonsense you’d like to get off your chest? Some rabble rabble fascist, perhaps? It’s amazing how the only defense you can provide to a criticism of your nonsense is mediocre insult.
Mike Pence could’ve (likely illegally) decided to reject the votes from contested states or taken an alternate slate of electors. The President, the highest elected official in the land, told Mike Pence to reject the results of a democratic process even though all legal challenges had been laughed out of court.
So… could he have, then? You seem not convinced of such a thing itself when you qualify it as a thing not supported by law therefore not binding or enforceable.
The President, the highest elected official in the land, told Mike Pence to reject the results of a democratic process even though all legal challenges had been laughed out of court.
Trump is deranged - water is wet and other apparent news at 11:00!
I’m sure that happens every election though.
Hyperbolic fear mongering and borderline delusional Presidents does seem to be a trend - one you seem to be perpetuating.
Woah, there. Can’t have them actually run on a platform or promise to deliver things. Orange man bad and scary. The DNC has been gifted the biggest get out the vote candidate ever on the other side and still insists on shitting on themselves.
I think Obama was the last time they managed to not completely shit themselves at every opportunity. Coincidentally, it was the last time they campaigned on any form of positivity.
We’re really going with the tired democracy is on the ballot trope again?
It’s just a factual statement about most modern American elections, what are we supposed to do, pretend it’s not true because you want fresher material?
No, democracy is not on the ballot. Its not like its
I know this might be the 2nd or 3rd time for a lot of people giving a shit about politics so it might seem that way but its not.
Are you really claiming to not get the expression “X is on the ballot” to mean it will make a big issue for issue X which party wins? Like for example in 2024 in addition to democracy, abortion will be on the ballot.
Rather, “to be subject to a vote in an election” e.g. [democracy] is on the ballot aka is subject to a vote in an election.
Right - so factual it hasn’t managed to pan out in any way beyond absurd hyperbole.
You’d think at some point in the last two decades of the trope, people would have recognized the pattern through which they’re being led on.
I suppose that if that were the case, the scam wouldn’t keep working.
Member those dudes beating down the door of a barricaded senate that only stopped because one of their zerglings took a bullet to the neck? I watched a live broadcast of the gallows they had set up and the chants of “Hang Mike Pence.” Member how a former President is literally facing criminal charges for trying to fix the election in Georgia?
ANY OF THIS RINGING A BELL?!?
Or are you one of those “alternate facts” types? Feel free to join my block list.
Okay, “completely rational and not at all hyperbolic or biased” type.
I don’t know how you’ve detached yourself from reality this badly, but please get help.
Maybe it looks that way if you’ve only been at this a couple decades. Given how things have changed slowly over the last 40 and relatively abruptly with the Trump era, I think Democracy has been under fire for a long time.
The problems are that: too few have been aware of it, too many have been apathetic about it. Too few have voted, and too few have been involved beyond the absolute bare minimum of voting.
But the real failing is that the growing corruption – regulatory capture, lobbying, campaign finance, rise of oligopolies in ever more markets, etc. – has left us with neither major party primarily beholden to anyone but the ultra rich and mega corporations.
So I would argue that our realistic choices (since with our election mechanism, we are essentially locked into a choice between only two parties) are …
Democratic – incremental progress socially but mostly status quo economically and little interest in addressing the root problems I mentioned along with failing to address the seriousness of the rising threat of the right wing, loosely similar to the attitude of liberal centrists in the German Weimar Republic of 1930-1933. (I am fully aware that Democratic party is a hodge podge including some left leaning groups but the centrists run the show, I think we can agree)
Republican – long term (40+ year) plan to undermine education, suppress voters, dismantle government safeguards, challenge (by ignoring) fundamental checks and balances, along with regressive social policies (particularly race, sexual orientation, reproductive freedom, gender expression).
If one is actually aware of the GOP’s gerrymandering, active voter suppression, undermining of news media, rejection of the concept of truth and fact, conspiring to overturn the presidential election, anti-intellectualism, stochastic terrorism, active persecution and suppression of marginalized people, criminal activity, and brash corruption, one cannot interpret as anything but a directed, coordinated, doggedly persistent attack on American democracy.
Only one of these two groups severely degraded the operation of the government in the last decade and one of these groups is driven to further establish a theocratic, nationalist, authoritarian, regressive—in short, fascist—rule.
To look at the last twenty years and term “democracy on the ballot” as trope or hyperbole just shows how bad “the new normal” had gotten by the 2000s.
All this has been going on ever since the GOP transformed into a reactionary party in backlash to the Civil Rights era and especially following Nixon’s resignation.
There’s a canyon of difference between “is under fire” and “is on the ballot”.
One of these may be able to be supported through reference and analysis. The other is hyperbolic outrage bait.
A failing which precludes the notion one can simply defend democracy by voting blue.
If you’re going to draw arbitrary realistic bars by which to measure, you may as well just stop voting.
I’d argue they’re center-right at best, and actively malicious towards the working class.
Every single one of these failings applies to Democrats as well - hence the problem.
Are you still pretending the majority of these don’t apply to Democrats?
If you haven’t been paying attention to anything but Salon and Vox, sure, I can see how you’d think that.
Alternatively, it highlights the extent to which media has been crying wolf using such tropes to try and drive blue votes where platform has otherwise utterly failed to do so.
I agree that the new normal is bad - I disagree with using irrational outrage-bait to drive votes in such a manner as to perpetuate every problem behind the new normal.
Read up on Trump 2025, if you don’t think democracy is at stake in the US. They’re planning to turn every election into a republican primary at best.
Again, we’ve been hearing variations of the same fearmongering for decades, and we’ve already seen parallels with either party trying the same in Congress.
It’s fortunate that we have a system of government which generally prevents authoritarian power-grab e.g. as it generally did last time around. Law is difficult to just ignore and Congress has a rich history of partisan
circlejerkdeadlock. But that’s specific to concentrating executive branch power in the elected individual and seems to entirely miss democratic selection of individual.This all seems to miss the point, though - even if it was correct this time, the best blue team seems to be able to come up with is the tired rah rah vote for us or vote for fascism crap yet again. It’s as if they’ve recognized they aren’t actually going to try to bring anything to the table that voters want, so in order to try and minimize criticism of those failures, they’re just tripling down on wedge messaging.
Ok, so you are either ok with this or are another one of their useful idiots.
Alternatively, neither.
Any other bland nonsense you’d like to get off your chest? Some rabble rabble fascist, perhaps? It’s amazing how the only defense you can provide to a criticism of your nonsense is mediocre insult.
Mike Pence could’ve (likely illegally) decided to reject the votes from contested states or taken an alternate slate of electors. The President, the highest elected official in the land, told Mike Pence to reject the results of a democratic process even though all legal challenges had been laughed out of court.
I’m sure that happens every election though.
So… could he have, then? You seem not convinced of such a thing itself when you qualify it as a thing not supported by law therefore not binding or enforceable.
Trump is deranged - water is wet and other apparent news at 11:00!
Hyperbolic fear mongering and borderline delusional Presidents does seem to be a trend - one you seem to be perpetuating.
Woah, there. Can’t have them actually run on a platform or promise to deliver things. Orange man bad and scary. The DNC has been gifted the biggest get out the vote candidate ever on the other side and still insists on shitting on themselves.
I think Obama was the last time they managed to not completely shit themselves at every opportunity. Coincidentally, it was the last time they campaigned on any form of positivity.
Stop threatening it and we’ll stop saying it.
No one is threatening it.
It’s beyond amazing you still fall for the same crying of wolf so often.
Edit: I should have checked the comment history. I see you’re just another stereotypical blue team cock-riding Reddit migrant.