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    For another example, your claim of conflation very much appears to be centred around your misunderstanding of the facts

    Not even close. This is plain to see, as nowhere in this entire essay, nor in any of your other comments for that matter, do you even address my point that lumping in Windows users with the immoral actions of a company results in a harmful dissonance that breeds hostility towards people that realistically don’t have another choice. Time and time again you’ve just ignored this and spouted some platitudes about how Microsoft being bad and Windows being their product somehow means that there’s no need to delineate the two because of their relationship. You can support one without supporting the other. There’s no need to tap dance around it.

    At least you’ve confirmed my suspicions that you hold these beliefs because of some misguided sense of superiority. I.E. I’m wrong because I can’t comprehend the problem. This is our miscommunication.

    or you’re actually engaging in bad faith discussion

    How can you even begin to think this when I’ve done nothing but advocate for both operating systems and attempted to elucidate the root of hostilities? How is my goal here not completely obvious?

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      i said i don’t defend it in the very first message i said to you. why isn’t that enough?

      you claim i won’t address it when i denounced it in the very first reply i sent to you?!? when i already denounced it, what is there left to say?

      Thanks for wasting my time. It seems you have no interest in the facts or learning anything new. You just want to be right, even when discussing a topic you openly admit you know little to nothing about. You freely admit you can’t get linux to work properly, yet suppose to lecture everyone what they are and are not free to discuss about this very same topic you admit you can’t get a handle on. All because your ego got a little bruised

      enjoy.

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          all linux users are smug arseholes because once upon a time some of them hurt my feelings. and even though another linux user repeatedly denounced that and said its unfortunate, i pretended they didn’t because they wouldn’t endlessly cry with me about my hurt feelings and instead talked about actual real world facts, what a horrible group of people

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            I’m a Linux user. Duh-doy. My very first comment said as much. I self-host a media server on a Debian distro. That’s one of the funniest parts of all this, people keep assuming that because it’s a struggle for me that I was never successful at it or that I’m ignorant on the subject. I succeeded despite my inadequacies, thank you very much.

            Also yes, that’s how it’s gonna be if you’re just going to continue perpetuating some of the collateral damage and call my attempt to change that …how did you put it? Oh right

            wasting my time

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              and for the record i don’t think its about ‘inadequacies’. its not a magic skill or secret knowledge. its just about investing the time to learn. put the time in and it will come, as you’ve already seen with your server.

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                Not one hour ago you were assuming I was some idiot that can’t get linux to work because I advocate for preference. Get your two-faced shit out of here. Your noninclusive group of iconoclasts has done way more to push me away than any Windows community ever could.

                You freely admit you can’t get linux to work properly, yet suppose to lecture everyone what they are and are not free to discuss about this very same topic you admit you can’t get a handle on.

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              nowhere in this entire essay, nor in any of your other comments for that matter, do you even address my point that lumping in Windows users with the immoral actions of a company results in a harmful dissonance

              anyone can see the scrollback for themselves, it’s plainly visible i denounced it multiple times. the evidence is right here for anyone to see:

              But then you learn they got rich by cutting corners and screwing over your friends. And are actively investing in making the public pool shit so they can grandstand their pool. Noone is blaming you for going up to the rich guys pool to have a nice easy time. Or at least, I’m not defending the kind of linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that

              Source

              As I mentioned, I’m not here to criticise you for making the choice you have, or defend those who do criticise you for it.

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              As stated we are not listing reasons for condemning you for your choice

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              As stated many times, you are welcome to your choice, and your choice is understandable.

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              dude its just sad at this point. why are you bothering to pretend its not addressed when its addressed repeatedly and was even requoted like 2 posts before you made your ridiculous, verifiably false statement.

              what is the purpose of this game? who do you think you’re kidding? anyone can see you’re being dishonest. and don’t even have the grace to admit it, you’re wrong. completely wasting an opportunity for us both to learn and for us to be friends even.

              whats even stranger is the original discussion was about linux community shitting on windows NOT windows users:

              The Linux community shitting on Windows is worse

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              you’ve fixated on this windows user issue when, as quoted, it was never even about that, was already denounced by me immediately as quoted & sourced repeatedly above.

              i can see why you think linux users are smug arseholes, you pull this shit and cry when you don’t get away with it. its just sad dude. noone at microsoft is paying for your time to get invested like this. you think you give a fuck about you???

              but you know who might actually give a fuck about you? us, here, in this community. but you need to start by being honest with yourself about this, otherwise you are the one making it a waste of time.

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                it’s hardly a conflation, this hostile modus operandi is baked into the windows product itself with malicious and intrusive features. i’m not sure if this is news to anyone, but those user-hostile features were added to windows by microsoft. and the best defense offered thus far for that is basically “most or all tech giants do it too” - yes, thankyou that’s exactly our point. the fact that shipping this kind of abusive software has been normalised is part of the problem too.

                For another example, your claim of conflation very much appears to be centred around your misunderstanding of the facts

                I’m entirely unconvinced by your claim that any participation in “capitalistic evil” immediately invalidates all subsequent discernment of shades of evil or the complex interactions thereof.

                even when discussing a topic you openly admit you know little to nothing about.

                All because your ego got a little bruised

                Funny, for somebody that claims to not conflate Windows with Microsoft you seem to spend a lot of time telling Windows users that they’re ignorant or wrong for association with Microsoft. Not to mention you edited out most of the times you lumped them together.

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                  if you wanna continue to embarrass yourself go ahead. i won’t be entertaining this sad display any longer.

                  anyone is free to search the thread and read what i wrote in the full context it was stated.

                  and to see your blatant dishonesty.

                  good luck mate, i hope you find some kind of peace to whatever is keeping you so fixated about windows users that you need to fabricate an enemy in me over that aspect, despite me clearly and repeatedly denouncing it from day 1 of this discussion. all the best.

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                    if you wanna continue to embarrass yourself go ahead. i won’t be entertaining this sad display any longer.

                    Oh right, I forgot that you’re superior and that therefore I’m incorrect by default. My bad.

                    despite me clearly and repeatedly denouncing it from day 1 of this discussion. all the best

                    Even though you still maintain that Microsoft and Windows are one and the same and have not addressed that you can use one without being in support of the other. Riiiiiiiiight.