• Cyclohexane@lemmy.mlM
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    The first commenter is talking a hypothetical scenario of socialism being bad, so the second commenter (the one you responded to) responded with actual example of that same hypothetical scenario happening, but except by a capitalist power (the US). I don’t think your response makes sense at all here.

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        Calling something “Whataboutism” infers a belief in American exceptionalism. You should question that belief.

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          Calling out whataboutism is perfectly acceptable when it is being used regardless of its origins.

          It is in no way a logical fallacy and in fact the use of whataboutism is itself a logical fallacy.

          The flaw in gorilladrum’s argument is that the hypothetical example demonstrates the flaws in that specific situation and does not address problems in socialism as a whole yet they suggest it dismisses the ideology completely.

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            People cry whataboutism when they dislike people throwing context that goes against their argument into a discussion.

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                That’s literally whataboutism, I criticized people using the vocabulary of “whataboutism” and then you said “but whatabout people who are doing whataboutism!”

                To be clear, I dont believe whataboutism is a fallacy, but you do, so why are you doing it?

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                  It’s funny liberals had to start calling it “Whataboutism” as the previous term made it clear they were racist.

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                  No it isn’t. I am explaining why whataboutism is a fallacy itself. If you have a valid counterpoint to a claim there would be no need to engage with whataboutism.

                  I am not engaging in whataboutism but based on your view that it isn’t fallacious Im not sure you will understand that. Not everyone is good at logical processing.

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                    I was criticizing people claiming whataboutism, you were doing “but what about people doing whataboutism!” Which is whataboutism.

                    Not everyone is good at logical processing.

                    Hence why we are having this conversation.