The intrigue: The “Rule of Five” law allows any five members of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to request federal agencies to provide information about “any matter within the jurisdiction of the committee.”

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    Going nowhere in 3… 2…

    Schumer said the files could be released with redactions because keeping the information of the victims private “must be of top importance.”

    Sure, keep the victims private, but don’t give them free license to redact shit.

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      The list is released with all names redacted. Because the right would consider anyone on the list as a victim, even those who committed crimes.

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        This is obviously the answer to why the victim count went up and the perpetrator count went down to 2, soon to be 1. They’re interpreting Trump as a victim and trying to figure out how to argue that he is a victim, but Clinton isn’t to throw meat to the wolves.

        There are not 1000s of women at a brothel, but there may be 1000s of johns.

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          And Democrats will fall for it again. They’ll go after Clinton, because that is the high road. Everyone on the list needs to be brought to whatever justice is due.

          Just like the Panama papers… sigh.

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            There’s actually been a guy to go to prison over the Panama Papers. Sorry, he went to jail over paying to have a journalist murdered.

            They still haven’t had the trial yet, but the jackass spent 6 years in jail before they granted him bail.

            His henchmen in the murder are all some form of sentence with one of them having turned state’s witness.

            The coverup is often worse than the crime. I say often because Trump is try to cover up an extremely serious crime. Or rather a bunch of them.

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      Good news they’ll just use black highlight instead of actually redacting anything.

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      I’m not 100% sure he means from their redactions? I think the law only allows senators access to the files, so he might be meaning senators / senator staff releasing it after getting it then redacting victim names?

      In either case, doing this still keeps it in the news which hurts Trump. Senate Dems can and should keep doing everything like this instead of Schumer’s previous strategy of stuff like caving on the CR for no reason. This is notable improvement from senate dems even compared to recently

      Especially because house dems have shown more fight. They were far more aggressive in trying to force votes on releasing the files which lead to Republicans just shutting down the house instead of voting on it. Which both works to show Republicans are complicit and stops them from pushing through worse bills for an extra few weeks. Senate dems tried a couple of unanimous consent votes, but didn’t see it quite to the level of house dems forcing amendment votes in every committee on damn near everything

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        What he means vs. what he said. The GOP can twist it so that they follow the letter of his words, not the spirit of his intent.

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      Honestly, I’m imagining a ridiculous scenario where the victims get protection and their names are accidentally outed in the Epstein files. Imagine all the Trumpers going off to threaten these victims and being shot dead for it. Solves so many problems all at once.

      Sigh.

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    Someone posted this up on here a couple of weeks ago. I’ll do my part to repost it:

    From reddit… https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/eBjDX0zt07

    https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)

    https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

    Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac

    —————————other Epstein Information

    https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson/_TrumpEpstein/_Calif/_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.

    Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo

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    It’s weird that the Senate had a special centuries old rule requiring everyone produce at least once piece of child pornography before a vote can continue, but I guess the 1830s was just a different time.

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    What’s the plan if the files contain damming evidence against Trump? Will he be impeached? Will he be arrested like anybody else? Will there just be no consequences whatsoever? What is the protocol when the president is revealed to have committed heinous crimes? I want to know NOW!

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      Oh yea, he will definitely be impeached for the third time. One more impeachment and he’ll get a Writ of Reprimand. 4 of those and a Supreme Court judge literally slaps him on the wrist. That’ll show him.

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      one possibility is people who have been ensconced in MAGA, entirely because they think every Democrat eats babies, will have their reality shattered by the completely obvious and well documented fact that Trump is a pedophile, and not even just A pedophile but THE pedophile, the final boss of 1990s human trafficking and serial rape.

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        I don’t have much faith they’ll care. A big part of their ideology is hurting women and children. It’s already well known he’s a rapist, he’s said as much himself. They famously don’t care about truth. I think absolutely damning evidence will come out, and they’ll move forward without much fuss.

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          This. They’ll scramble for a few days until Fox News gets the narrative ready for spoon-feeding, then calling him a pedophile will be dismissed as another facet of “orange man bad”.

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          Anecdotally I have seen evidence of Trump supporters in my own life who have fallen off their love of him. Mostly though it’s because their own lives have not improved. They aren’t hardcore magas just people who don’t know any better, are not smart, kind of racist, or just sucked into whatever rabbit hole they’ve found.

          I doubt it’ll change much what’s presented in media and functionally who’s voting for him/others like him. But it’s been nice not to hear people praise him day to day in my own life.

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        people who have been ensconced in MAGA, entirely because they think every Democrat eats babies, will have their reality shattered

        Hard to have your reality shattered when you weren’t living in reality to begin with.

        You’ve got a clutch of hooting, screaming podcaster apes who have been flogging Epstein as the Rosetta Stone of a dozen different conspiracy theories. They were supposed to dine out on Pam Bondi dripping “Breaking! New Epstein Things! Rosie O’Donald and Greta Thunberg definitely in the same state as Jeffrey during peak pedophilia era!”

        Instead, Trump just puts the kabosh on the whole thing, barely a month after Bondi teases a whole string of info dumps.

        If you can jangle a different set of keys in their faces, they’ll come back around. Trump’s just not willing to do that because he’s gone into his “bored of being President” phase.

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      They would 100% never let files with Trump’s name in it out. This is going to absolutely backfire on the Democrats when the Republicans inevitably release a doctored list with all their political enemies on it. This is so much better for the Dems when the files are a big MacGuffin. Even if by some miracle they did release the actual list and Trump was on it, they would say it was a witch hunt by the corrupt Biden administration and MAGA would eat it up. There will never be legal consequences for any of them, ever. If they ever do get consequences it will be because of some brave Luigi.

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    Weird how they want it released now, but didn’t do shit about it under Biden…

    Almost like it’s all theatrics for them.

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      The finance committee requested the files, got them, wrote up subpoenas based on those files and were blocked by republiQans.

      All under Biden. Still ready to go, just get the GQP to do anything at all.

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      Too little was done out of fear Trump would capitalize on it.

      And look how that turned out.

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          They’re saying that the Biden administration didn’t want to release the info and stir the pot. They were afraid that the fascists republicans would do something shitty in retaliation.

          Which of course, the GOP was always gonna do anyway, because they have always tried to get away with whatever they could. So now we get the fallout without the payoff of actually getting the files released

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      It will never get released. The Democrats get to act like they want to release it while the Republicans are blocking it now. This is very bad theater.

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        I can imagine it like a scene in a sitcom. They are both yanking on the documents in a tug of war in front of an audience of citizens. Only for someone to slip and the documents fly into the air and rain down on the citizens by accident, fucking them both over.

        We can only hope.

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      Why would they release the files when it could put active investigations at risk? John Q Public doesn’t need to know who’s name is on the list if the justice department is doing it’s job properly. Now that it’s not we might as well know how trump prefers 14yo’s that look like his daughter.

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    Fuck yes, man! We cannot let up here. Okay, call me looney, because I totally am and rather manic right now. I been digging into this shit. The “Epstein Sex Scandal” was a honeypot operation. Hear me out. So we can’t tell which fucking way is up, because we are under a multi-prong attack. The 2016 Russian interference investigation showed misinformation campaigning (i.e. psychological warfare). The DEA confirmed that fentanyl precursors are mostly Chinese. The Opium Wars clearly show that China knows a thing or two about narcotic warfare. I’ve spent a lot of time with theoretical physics - I even have a TOE formalized, and I’m working on my 1D relativistic simulator. I think it’s clear that certain sciences have been stunted, but I have no links for that. Maxwell’s father worked for several intelligence agencies, including the Mossad. The Sex trafficking originated in Soviet Russia as a child-run child-prostitution ring, in response to famine. Intelligence agencies link to the DARE program, amplifying the effect of narcotic warfare. Our “special relationship” with Israel is a perfect strategic position to fight the oil wars, beating up on Iran with protecting Jerusalem providing a cover story. Israel is buddies with everyone and all of these intelligence communities work together. Our pact with Israel is the heart of the war machine. Add the financial sector in with its private, debt-based currency, and you get a picture of the deep state war machine. But, look at motivation. Look at the nature of the Epstein honeypot. Could have been personal blackmail, threats to family, whatever to get leverage over these powerful people. But, no. They went for the desecration of the innocent on an industrial scale. We’re not hunting pedophiles. We are hunting the apocalypse cult, and we found their fucking temple.

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      Dude, ease up on the narcotics my man.

      Yeah we found their temple. Their pedophile temple. Because they’re pedophiles. Yes evangelicals are often accelerationists, because they want Jesus to hurry up so they can get raptured or whatever.

      Things generally have simple explanations. No need to connect things that aren’t connected.

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    Dude, now do UAP.

    (By the way, I’m basically quoting Chuck here. He said the same in a tweet earlier this year. Fucking ineffectual clown.)