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Some of the seven Democrats who voted for Noem say they’d now oppose her in the wake of Trump’s aggressive deportation plans and last week’s incident involving Sen. Alex Padilla.
Five days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, seven Senate Democrats voted to confirm Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security.
Nearly 5 months later, most of them are critical of her, with some going as far as to say they regret their votes.
“I’m very disappointed. I’m very disappointed in her,” Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., told NBC News this week. “If I were voting on her today, I definitely wouldn’t vote for her.”
Freshman Sen. Andy Kim, D-N.J., also said he would vote differently and oppose her nomination if he could do it again.
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Too fucking bad.
Your regret is worth no more than any regret expressed by US voters who voted for Chump.
Like those US voters, you knew what you’d get, you were warned, you were told, and you ignored all of that and did it anyway for whatever chickenshit reasons you may have had at the time.
Fuck. Right. Off. Shove your “guilt/regret/whatever” straight up your collective ass.
Fucking tired of Dems “saying the right things” and saying it too late when they can’t undo what they did and are simply attempting to rehabilitate their reputation. You have no reputation to rehabilitate, you ultimate performative cowards.
🤦♀️ 🤡 🫏 🖕 💩
As a minority party with essentially no control of anything your only job is to make the majority’s job as hard as possible and they couldn’t even do that!
Don’t worry, as soon as Trump crosses Schumer’s red line of disregarding the supreme court the Democrats will spring into action!
… They’ll spring into action any day now
… Any day now
Democrats: 🦗🦗🦗
They’ll spring into action by waving a finger at him and going tsk tsk
Hey, easy now. The Supreme Court already said there’s no need for that
It’d be sooo mean. I’d better resign. It’d show them how I’m angy at them.
I hard disagree with what you said, but you are also correct with the political situation.
A minority party in a normal world shouldn’t only be obstructionist. They should ideally all work together to make the best outcomes for the constituents. This is a functional democracy.
Now that our democracy is in absolute decay on the path to a fascist takeover (if not already there), you are absolutely right.
Maybe pedantic, but I feel like it’s important to remember how things should function.
Good morning, idiots. Did it never cross your little minds that a Trumpist candidate could be anything but pure shit on legs?
Exactly. This is why I have so little respect for Democrats these days. They go on TV and call red alert and say Trump is awful and Trump is horrible and we all have to do everything we can to oppose Trump, and then they go ahead and rubber stamp his candidates and his agenda, refusing to use political options that are very much open to them create the opposition they are so loudly claiming is necessary.
If Trump is truly that awful, they could simply refuse to confirm his candidates, make them fight tooth and nail and bargain with them for every single vote.
But they did not. So the only conclusions are either a, they did not actually feel Trump was awful and all the red alert press conferences were just performant political theater, or b, they have not actually stood up for real principle or wielded real power in so long they don’t remember how to do it.IMO, it was performative. I think the Democratic Party for the most part is controlled opposition for the owner-class. It’s foolish to continue to support them, or really any facet of this oppressive government.
Clean 'em all out and let’s build anew.
Yup. We need a new party, with the goal of overhauling the political system so that we aren’t stuck with Geronocrats nor Turdpublicans. First past the post has led to being forced to choose between a log and diarrhea.
Vote Drumph and his various human shaped Cabinet butt plugs out of power first. As shockingly bad as the dems are, the GOP is still far worse.
I’m not a Trump fan. But I’ve been an adult long enough to remember this being said about just about every election. That yeah we should do better we will eventually do better but not this time, right now it’s most important to get rid of the other party or make them lose the election no matter what. It’s the same thing every few years.
It’s like hitting the snooze button over and over and over again, if you keep hitting it eventually your alarm times out or you just end up late for work.
Propaganda is one hell of a drug, ain’t it?
Sure is :(
Funny. I’m 70 years old and have never heard that argument before. It’s also funny that you consider 2 week Donnie and his daily fuckups, as somehow equal to other, actually sane and somewhat competent presidents. Only 100+ days in, and the damage he has already inflicted is incalculable. USA will never recover it’s international reputation and prestige, ever. He and his gang of billionaire incompetents have destroyed millions of lives, and now he’s working on starting WW3. Only a magat would find equivalency here, Mr “I’m not a trump fan” LOL.
With respect, if you’ve never in 70 years heard the argument that ‘this specific election is too important, we have to nominate the best chance to beat the other guy’, then you must either not be paying attention or your memory is failing you.
In fact, go back to 2016 and that is exactly what happened. Hillary was seen as the ‘safe’ option to put up against Trump, Bernie was the ‘radical candidate who wouldn’t get broad popular support’.I am NOT drawing an equivalence between Donald Trump and other presidents. I am talking purely about campaigns and the discourse about them.
I don’t like Trump, but he’s on his second term. He’s done. He’s not running for election again. The question is, what do we do in 2028? Who do we put forward for the nation’s consideration?
Is it going to be another Hillary / Kamala type ‘safe’ candidate? Because they haven’t done so well of late.
Or is it going to be somebody who has a strong message of principle, someone who can energize millions in the same way that Barack Obama did and Donald Trump did more recently?
Nobody said they weren’t, but they amount to the same problem in reality. I’m also tired of doing the same thing over and over and expecting new results. We’ve done it your way for decades and all they do is capture all leftward pressure and defuse it. Forcing our march ever rightward. They work for the owner class, not for you or me.
We’re in this situation because of your line of thinking. On average there are 40% of eligible voters that don’t vote, and that’s in the Presidential race only. It’s much higher for nearly all offices, outside of the ones we vote on every 4 years. I believe this apathy is brought about because these people see no value in voting, as it changes nothing meaningful in their lives. This isn’t to say that they weren’t better, but anytime they had to make progressive moves, they make conservative ones that benefit the owner class.
At some point it’s time to wake up and do something different.
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Nope. Your line of thinking keeps him in power forever. Drumph must GO, asap. Worry about the rest afterwards.
I can’t even read this shit anymore. I’m almost more furious with the Democrats than the republicans at this point. Every single nominee should have been a knock-down, drag-out fight. We’d be better off with an empty cabinet than the array of lickspittles and lunatics in there now.
It’s really bad when Tulsi Gabbard is one of the only trustworthy people in the administration.
Not directing this to you, specifically, but if you’re in the US and you feel similarly, please please please use this anger at this “slow” part of the political cycle to get involved in your local political scene.
This can look like uplifting people who align with your values in political organizations, volunteering in a specific candidate’s campaign to get them on the primary ballot, or even running for a local office yourself (yes you, even if you don’t think you’re qualified).
The people doing this “unsexy” work between elections are the people who eke out actual change. They always need more support during this time, and by becoming involved, you can see the impacts of your efforts, and get the right kind of people on primary ballots.
When these people win local and state offices, they build momentum (read: fundraising) and gain political experience they can leverage to run for even higher offices.
It’s still a lot of work, and it’s slow, but it’s the realistic, proven path to affecting politics when you’re not a nepobaby, a constitutional law professor, or a D-list celebrity.
All that being said, I very much support other activism for fighting the creeping threat of total fascism in the meantime as well.
Knock down drag out fight ends the same way in the same amount of time. Noem got 50 Republican senators that voted for her. That’s an automatic win for her unless Vance went against Trump’s pick.
They only need 51 if there are 50 against, and there wasn’t, some Republicans sat out as well. In the end they are dumbasses for bitching but their efforts wouldn’t change the vote with her
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Wow who could have seen this one coming from 6 months away? Certainly not everyone except establishment Democrats.
Primary these useless fuckers.
Yooo, Democratic Senators, fuck youuuu!
Signed, an independent US citizen who has repeatedly voted for your shitty controlled opposition candidates because it was glaringly obvious to me SEVERAL YEARS AGO that anything Trump brings to the table is significantly worse for humanity than your bland business as usual.
Like, Trump was so, so bad that in retrospect it makes more sense that HE was the controlled opposition so that status quo capitalist corporate democrats could win their elections and keep the people “happy enough” while letting the elites play their games.
But no. Now he is much worse, mask-off, nominating unqualified morons and traitors to help administrate the federal government, and you fuckups in the “at least we aren’t an openly bigoted death cult” party did not stop it in cases where you could have.
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Ummm…what?
So, are you saying that they voted to confirm her out of…spite? And you are presenting that as an argument on their defense???
Are you…an idiot?
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I hope they all get primary’d.
Everybody that has voted while Trump is president should be voted out. If they voted for any approval or confirmation, fuckin voted out.
They sold out our nation.
This is a purity test I 100% endorse and appreciate.
THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE VOTED TO CONFIRM HER IN THE FIRST PLACE. OUR OWN PARTY IS FULL OF DUMBASSES.
But mUH dECoRuM1!1
It’s not our party. But it could be after the primaries.
Indeed. Though I’m not sure we could without finding some way to do this without shooting ourselves in the foot at every turn. No politician in any party incumbent or not should go without a primary challenge. But so many are hyper focused on Purity tests that don’t accomplish anything.
What are you going to do different than previous primaries?
Encourage progressives to run against Republicans in GOP primaries. These are the only congressional ballots that matter in my home state.
That was not being done in previous primaries?
Pretty simple test. Did you ever vote for a Trump nominee? Yes? GTFO, we don’t give a fuck why
I’d like to invoke the inverse of Hanlon’s Razor with respect to US federal politicians.
i hope you get to tell this to a tribunal that tries you for cooperating with fascists once this is over
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Oh my fucking god the DNC is so goddamn feckless. It damages my calm whenever I think about it.
the DNC is as hostile to the american people as Republicans are. Its time to stop pretending they arent, the DNC is just a weaker, more pathetic arm of the RNC
Thats the dumbest pile of garbage I read all week. The republicans are actively destroying your country, using the military against protestors, ignoring rulings made by judges and much more.
Democrats are not fighting hard enough against it but to claim they are both the same is insanity. Srsly americans really are so stupid, they deserve everything they get.
They may not be the “same”, but the outcome over the arc of several congressional terms and presidential administrations effectively is. No fascist power comes to primacy without a neoliberal faction suppressing policy reforms for the working class and coordinating with fascists to protect corruption.
Like I said they dont do enough. Yet they are the only ones who can do something and everyone who legally could but did not vote for Harris is responsible for this and deserves what is happening
And thanks to democrats voting alongside with confirming a lot of positions and other things republicans wanted, They were able to do that.
So how about you fuck off with this hand wringing bullshit about the poor innocent democrats who are inviting the nazi’s to sit at their table, to eat, and be merry?
How about you fuck off with acting like democrats are as evil as republicans? People like you are the reason Trump won. If you have not voted for democrats in the last election you are just as responsible as every Trump voter and deserve what you are getting.
Go lick boots elsewhere, troll.
I AGREE! The Democrats are NOT to blame For HELPING Confirm the People Destroying our Country while doing NOTHING to Slow them Down EXCEPT for Giving them LITERALLY Whatever they Want!
I’m half convinced the DNC is a conservative psyop
The Democrats are a conservative party. They want to get back to the days when the parties had no ideological differences and were just clubs that voters picked personalities they liked most.
That ended during the progressive era, when some politicians (in both parties) got ideas about making the country better for working class people. The Republicans had more friends that were rich as fuck so they started propaganda campaigns among Republican voters and the progressive Republicans were primaried out of office.
Now the Democrats are stuck with the leftist label they don’t really want. Some of their voters do, but only some. American voters want leftist policies to be enacted but are allergic to leftist politicians and organizing.
At some point we will have to recognize that they are not feckless, they are working in concert.
Enhance your calm, John Spartan!
WTAF. This is some real Susan Collins type of energy.
Did they furrow their brows? Wring their hands?
DNC has proven their uselessness over and over. You can only send so many strongly worded letters. How many hearing do they need where they berate the person and nothing changes. They are complicit at this point. They are just fine with everything that is happening. All they do is theater to show how “upset” they are.
I think the destiny of the Geronocrats is all but sealed.
Come on, no one is this dumb. The senators knew they’d do this from the moment they voted to confirm. This is just premeditated political backtracking to fix as much damage as they can now that they’ve received their reciprocal favors.
Indeed. Any Democrat who voted for that piece of shit should be primaried.
Better, they should resign, go home, and self-immolate.
