• toiletwhole@feddit.de
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    How is he not in jail already?

    I just can’t get my head around this.

    The fuck ist happening here

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        Aiding a terrorist regime by disabling this attack and losing Ukrainian assets. Acting as a foreign agent by discussing this with Putin. That’s two, right there.

        We’ve sanctioned Russia heavily for this and begun providing that money to Ukraine as relief. They’ve stolen children from Ukraine. Elon is a war criminal.

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          Without Elon musk or SpaceX, Ukraine would have precisely zero Starlink systems. So you really should rethink that comment.

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            Without your ISP you wouldn’t have been able to post that comment.

            So if your ISP decides to disconnect your service when it feels like you’re not doing the things they want you to do with it, you should still thank your ISP because you wouldn’t be able to do the limited things they allow you to do otherwise.

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            How is that relavent?

            I’ve rethough it, but the facts stayed the same.

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            First point:

            https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-16-providing-material-support-designated-terrorist-organizations

            1. PROVIDING MATERIAL SUPPORT TO DESIGNATED TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS (FUNDRAISING) (18 U.S.C. 2339B)
              The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 gave the Secretary of State authority to designate foreign terrorist organizations whose terrorist activity threatens the security of United States nationals or the national defense, foreign relations or economic interests of the United States. See Pub. L. 104-132, § 302, 110 Stat. 1214, 1248. See also section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. § 1189). The Antiterrorism Act also created 18 U.S.C. § 2339B, which makes it unlawful, within the United States, or for any person who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States anywhere, to knowingly provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization that has been designated by the Secretary of State. See Pub. L. 104-132, § 303, 110 Stat. 1214, 1250.

            Note: The HARM act hasn’t passed yet, so this might be on shaky grounds. But he may yet find himself in violation. Also, I’m not a lawyer, and I’d bet there’s better ways to prosecute this.


            Second point:

            https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/frequently-asked-questions

            What is FARA?

            FARA is an acronym for the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, as amended, 22 U.S.C. § 611 et seq. (“FARA” or “the Act”). FARA requires the registration of, and disclosures by, an “agent of a foreign principal” who, either directly or through another person, within the United States (1) engages in “political activities” on behalf of a foreign principal; (2) acts as a foreign principal’s public relations counsel, publicity agent, information-service employee, or political consultant; (3) solicits, collects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of a foreign principal; or (4) represents the interests of the foreign principal before any agency or official of the U.S. government. In addition, FARA requires agents to conspicuously label “informational materials” transmitted in the United States for or in the interest of a foreign principal. There are some exemptions to FARA’s registration and labeling requirements for specified categories of agents and activities.

            What are the penalties for violating FARA?

            The penalty for a willful violation of FARA is imprisonment for not more than five years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both. Certain violations are considered misdemeanors, with penalties of imprisonment of not more than six months, a fine of not more than $5,000, or both. There are also civil enforcement provisions that empower the Attorney General to seek an injunction requiring registration under FARA (for applicable activities) or correcting a deficient registration statement.

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                  PROVIDING MATERIAL SUPPORT TO DESIGNATED TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS (FUNDRAISING) (18 U.S.C. 2339B)

                  1. Russian federation is not in the US’s list of terrorist organization
                  2. He did not provide anything to Russian federation

                  FARA requires the registration of, and disclosures by, an “agent of a foreign principal” who, either directly or through another person, within the United States
                  (1) engages in “political activities” on behalf of a foreign principal;

                  You’d have a hard time proving that this falls under “political activity” and that he did it because of foreign influence.

                  (2) acts as a foreign principal’s public relations counsel, publicity agent, information-service employee, or political consultant;
                  (3) solicits, collects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of a foreign principal; or
                  (4) represents the interests of the foreign principal before any agency or official of the U.S. government. In addition, FARA requires agents to conspicuously label “informational materials” transmitted in the United States for or in the interest of a foreign principal. There are some exemptions to FARA’s registration and labeling requirements for specified categories of agents and activities.

                  He does not do anything of this sort

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                    Under FARA see “information-service employee, or political consultant.” I think there’s a strong argument there that he saw activity on StarLink, discussed it with Putin and then publicly walked that shit back when he realized it was criminal after the fact to cover it up.