Iran has the right to defend itself.
The exact copy paste comment is weird
yeah. It was when genocide apologists were saying it about netanyahu’s genocidal apartheid regime, too. So get used to it.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
COULD YOU PLEASE STOP SHOUTING I HEAR YOU VERY WELL WITHOUT THAT, THANK YOU.
When people point out the west is far from being the “good guys” shit like this is what they have in mind. USA and Europe supported israel and armed it to teeth making possible for the fascist israel government to conduct such attacks. If you don’t accept that our governments are as much rigged and evil as russia or china these useless war will never cease.
Why would you think people in the west would be upset about this?
If anything, the west has armed the shit out of Israel so they can do exactly this. Iran is a major Russian ally/puppet and an Islamic theocracy having nukes would be a very bad thing indeed. That’s not to say Israel hasn’t lied about why they’ve done this, because the footage of burning buildings in the middle of cities speak for themselves. They don’t look like no “nuclear research facilities” I’ve ever seen, so we’re clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).
Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map. Sure, those attacks hurt Israel, but they hurt Palestinians a whole lot more. Iran was just hoping that the resulting genocide stopped the west funding them.
If people in the west want this to stop (and lets be honest, any voting choices are pointless because all our major parties support war in the middle east), then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.
so we’re clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).
To me it sound like after admitting a war crime you are still pretending to be one of the good guys.
Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map.
And so does israel government. They are aware that attacking iran may result in a war where thousand civilians may die but they don’t give a shit about it.
then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.
The area house some of the oldest cultures in the world, read its history. We should indeed stop using oil and gas and that’s something “extremists” have preach for decades warning us against global warming and conflicts.
To me it sound like after admitting a war crime you are still pretending to be one of the good guys.
Don’t mistake me pointing out what they’re doing for support of that “tactic”. Iran does not have infinite resources to build new facilities. You blow those labs up, it’s gone. Blow it up in the day, so were those nuclear scientists. Israeli intel is pretty damn good, even if their military are inhumane savages. They know where the facilities are, and they can knock them out whenever they want.
There is exactly one regional threat to Israel’s existence, and it’s a nuclear armed Iran.
And they do indeed have some of the oldest cultures in the world, but it all got a hell of a lot worse when we found oil under it.
Israeli intel is pretty damn good
It’s not good at all. Israel forces have been murdering so many civilians that collateral damage has become part of their plans. What they are doing won’t result in any peace or safety, they are setting the ground for even more conflicts which is exactly what those in power want. They are pretty damn good at serving their fascist ruler.
It’s not good at all. Israel forces have been murdering so many civilians that collateral damage has become part of their plans.
So… you must know that the atrocities committed have nothing to do with the quality of their intel.
In other words, the comment makes 0 sense as a reply. I mean it’s a fine comment on its own, it’s just not at all a reply to what you quoted. I really only bring it up for your benefit, because being unrelated to the quote like that makes the comment seem dishonest, which makes the rest of your message less credible.
I don’t work for any fascist government so i’m not much familiar with how they operates, does intel/intelligence only collects data or do they also plan operations? I was referring to their strategies and tactics.
Anyway to stay on the topic even their intel that just collect data is not that “good”. Israel government run mass surveillance programs that affect just everyone.
You two are talking past each other. None of what you wrote has any connection to what the other person wrote. In fact, you guys probably don’t disagree about anything. OP is just giving an explanatory description, not a normative essay.
What do you want Iran to do when they get imposed heavy sanctions from everywhere they have no option but to rely on Russian again. Iran could have been a normal country with good relation will all country but the west interfered and organized a coup to back up a dictator.
Iran autocracy is an internal affair no foreign countries government has to interfere. We can just as people protest the theocracy but not supporting killing Iranians under the pretext of democracy like we did in Iran.
If you really cared about democracy you would have also pretested american support for Saudi arabia
Iran has the right to defend itself.
You guys remember when you woke up and our biggest problem was Disney disappointing people with its Star Wars trilogy?
Kinda miss those times now.
Not to ruin your moment, but both the Rwandan genocide and the Bosnian genocide happened several years before the star wars prequels
I’m not trying to scare you, but the 90s was over two decades ago… I know I’m still in denial too
I remember the time before everyone and their mother lived chronically online and were constantly bombarded with (fake) news. Terrible stuff - wars, famine, whatnot - has always happened, now we just know about it instantly.
The Last Jedi and and Rise of Skywalker came out during Trump’s first term, UK had triggered article 50, natural disasters, North Korea was ramping up nuclear testing, a new age of fake news was taking shape, trade war, rise of Hindu nationalism… you know what you’re right, I do miss those times compared to now… But you know maybe this is the second act when things are most dire before… Well depends on the story arc 😅
Yes or finding out the next installment of your favorite game was delayed again
Still waiting for the next Elder Scrolls game
“Military sites”
They’re residential buildings.
They’ll be hitting hospitals next with the same pretext.
We’ve already gone over this
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86caaa7e-5328-4dc1-adda-a75f42ed8514.jpeg
Wake up babe, hot new axis of terror just dropped.
It’s an old one. The US has been aligned wirh Israel for decades.
posting on lemmy from 1948… wow
All those morons who voted for trump hope you enjoy being even more broke for the next decade and your sons going to war to die so rich cunts can get richer
This is one of those cases where both sides really are the same.
As if this only started under Trump…
Him pouring gasoline on the fire sure as shit didn’t help.
Not did it help when Biden did, what’s your point?
Biden was not nearly critical enough towards Israel, he did not stop supplying them with weapons, but it seemed like he was at least not happy with what Netanyahu is doing. Trump, on the other hand, is very clear in his explicit approval and practically daring Israel to do more. There is a difference.
Both are bad, both are wrong, but even you have to be able to see that one option is worse than the other.
but it seemed like
Pure vibes based politics
The fan fiction you’ve written in your head to justify your teams support of genocide does not actually make a real difference.
In the real world, the one where facts matter, Biden was full throated and active in his support of Israel, to the point of going up and repeating lies about beheaded babies.
but even you have to be able to see that one option is worse than the other.
It’s telling that even you cannot justify the actual actions of the Biden administration, so you have to make up your own fantasy version to defend them.
The only difference between Trump and Biden on Israel is that, under Trump, liberals like you stop engaging in mass genocide denialism to defend their team.
Iran is a paper tiger. A war of that scale can only be fought if the other side has the capabilities to fight back, Iran does not.
So much of a paper tiger that thry need support for all the west
What has Iran done that actually constitutes a proportional response? Every time they get humiliated by Israel, they shoot a bunch of empty missles and then claim that they destroyed Tel Aviv, even though more than 90% of their missles don’t hit anything.
Videos show the opposite of what you claim
What videos? Besides we’re going off of assessed damage. Israel kills Haniyeh in Tehran and Iran shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel kills 20+ of their top commanders in one night and Iran again shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel neuters Hezbollah, Iran does nothing. Israel bombs the Iranian embassy in Syria, and Iran does nothing. Mossad agents have been confirmed being literally everywhere in the Iranian state, and they do nothing.
Iran hasn’t done any percesion strikes or targeted assassinations or caused any damage to Israeli defenses or destroyed any critical Israeli infrastructure or any covert intelligence operations. They’ve done nothing because they can’t do anything. The Iranian regime literally made destroying Israel a core part of their identity, and over the past few years, Israel has been destroying them without any pushback. For a regime that brags about their prowess and capabilities, why haven’t they used them already? The answer is simple, Iran is a paper tiger.
Videos of israeli filming the damage despite israel trying to censor them. There is already dozens of reported injured israelis.
The real plan is to do a regime change it won’t happen
Are you hearing yourself? You sound ridiculous.
Results of Israel’s attacks:
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20+ of the IRGC’s top commanders
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Invaluable nuclear scientists
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Military systems sabatoged
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Nuclear facilities damaged
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Airfields and other critical infrastructure damaged
Results of Iran’s retaliation:
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A couple dozen Israeli civilian injuries
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A few damaged buildings
These are not at all comparable. Clearly did way more damage to the Iranian regime, and Iran’s response is undeniably weaker.
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Yeah, I am a bit shocked at Iran’s level of incompetence. Lol, I remember when Kamala confidently proclaimed that “Iran is America’s biggest adversary.”
good thing I stoped giving a shit if their kids die.
Guess I’m dead. Good riddance.
Of course with the exception of those who know their parents are shit
Don’t blame it just on trump voters, any cents you ever paid to the government also went into this.
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You thinking that are just two type of voters is disgusting, blame the system that allows for just two parties not the people.
The system is bad!
…
Participate in it!
Whataboutism is the tool of the enemy.
Training you to use thought terminating cliches like that is the work of the enemy.
Biden didn’t start the fire. It’s been burning since the world was turning.
Fuck Israel and their bs
Fuck sexist and homophobic theocracy.
Fuck pinkwashing apartheid.
Which one? They’re all like that.
Indeed, though Mosaddegh lived over 70 years ago and I’ve read nothing bad about him on that issue, so I’ll give him a pass for now.
I wonder why Iran has a theocracy instead of a democracy. They used to have a democracy, what happened to it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d’%C3%A9tat
Mosaddegh was overthrown.
About 25 years after that, the Shah was overthrown by a sexist and homophobic theocracy.
If Iran’s mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel’s attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran, not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they’re only targeting nuclear sites. If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.
For the record, I don’t really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I’ve stated.
If Iran’s mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel’s attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran,
I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.
wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn’t seem to be getting much support from Israel.
not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they’re only targeting nuclear sites.
Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they’ve been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.
If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.
and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it.
For the record, I don’t really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I’ve stated.
You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we’ve ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.
wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn’t seem to be getting much support from Israel.
Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn’t be that Israel doesn’t give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn’t a “both sides” situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.
Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they’ve been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.
It’s interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel’s part. Perhaps you should examine that?
and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it.
The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It’s a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel’s attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs. Not to mention the massive difference in scale.
You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we’ve ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.
We’ve been far closer to WWIII in the past.
Iran is not (enough of) a Russian ally.
Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn’t be that Israel doesn’t give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn’t a “both sides” situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.
Iran has been helping Israel’s enemies—Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Assad gang—and chanting “Death to Israel” (and “Death to America”) for decades. When it comes to needlessly killing Arabs, I’m not sure who’s worse: US or Iran.
It’s interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel’s part.
I don’t really: at least not these past several years.
Perhaps you should examine that?
Perhaps I should.
The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It’s a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel’s attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
Not to mention the massive difference in scale.
You might have an argument there: the legitimate-targets-to-innocent-civilian ratio of Hamas on 7 October 2023 versus Israel’s response.
I agree, fuck Israel!
Why the united snake don’t bomb saudis then?
Probably because their foreign policy is hypocritical.
because you are the hypocrite
Prove it.
People just have to read your comment to know that you are
What comment?
Followed predictably by Iran directly attacking Tel Aviv.
no f ing shit
Uncritical support of Iran please kick in the face of Israel and USA
Welp, we had a good run. See ya in the trenches. Or whatever.
I don’t know what trench I’ll end up in if I get drafted. Greenland? Canada? Panama? Iran?
L.A.
Too soon
Or any of several major U.S. cities, all of them very blue.
Irans government will implode, nobody will need to be deployed there.
Yeah, cause governments tend to implode when the countries arch enemy attacks them…
Hamas hasn’t even imploded, and the people have way more reason to blame them for their current situation than the Iranians can blame their government for pursuing a nuclear program that most of the country agreed with.
No matter how unpopular a government is there, they’re still going to be more popular than Israel, and people will rally around any flag to fight their flagrant aggression.
The Iranian protests against their Supreme Leader dwarfed the Gazan protests against Hamas.
The dynamics are way different.
If I have to bludgeon you to death for the last tin of beans in a radioactive wasteland, its nothing personal.
Fuck Israel and all, but Iran is far too weak to retaliate in a meaningful way and start ww3
World War 6?
The Zionist regime will kill us all
No worries, only isolated or poorer countries get attacked. They won’t attack countries they sign deals with, and countries that can actually respond
