CHaNGE my miNd

  • Grumpy@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Sure, I’ll play this game.

    The premise of the convincing is loaded. No one deserves shit. Steven Crowder made the format famous and therefore he is attributed to it.

    Whether or not the person is a piece of shit is irrelevant and ad hominem. If Hitler said 1 + 1 = 2, Hitler is right. You don’t get to deny that just because you hate the person. Shitty people can make correct statements and they can achieve things. Doesn’t matter which name we apply to it. We must be able to argue on the merits of the statement or format without sorting to personal feelings on the person, lest you become the one who is intolerant.

    • slice1@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Main problem is: Steven Crowder did not make the meme. People made a meme out of him. There was no “format” - he wanted to be edgy and debate. Then, he became a meme. Nothing to take from, nor attribute to him.

      However, I much prefer Calvin and never want to see anything related to Steven Crowder. And what was that about Hitler? …that…just…wow …

    • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Thank fuck there’s someone on this website that still has brains.

      The way most people around here operate Good = smart and bad = dumb.

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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      We must be able to argue on the merits of the statement or format without sorting to personal feelings on the person, lest you become the one who is intolerant.

      Why not have personal feelings about someone that sucks? We’re not in a court of law deciding on whether someone should go to prison FFS. We’re on a silly website deciding whether a dumb meme is entertaining or not. If a meme is associated with a shit person which results in bad feelings, those feelings negatively impact the entertainment value of the meme.

      Hitler made paintings. Not wanting to hang a painting made by Hitler it your house doesn’t mean someone thinks all paintings suck. It just means they think Hitler sucks and would prefer not to be reminded of the shit Hitler did every time they walk into the living room. You’re saying that people should somehow forget that Hitler made those paintings and enjoy them for the paintings themselves and forget about the person that made them. But that’s just not how brains work, dude. People do think of the person who made the art when forming opinions about something that’s so very subjective.

    • AaronMaria@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      What correct statement are you even talking about how is that hypothetical relevant at all? Is a format a fact now?

      • Grumpy@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        The correct statement is that he popularized this format of “change my mind.” Therefore, the attribution goes to him.