The butterfly effects would add up and and any zygote formed would not be the hitler-as-we-know anymore, since it would be a different combination of sperm and eggs.

Who needs guns when you got a time machine? Don’t like your highschool bully, just bump into their parents back in time. Or you know, “bump” ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) into their parents.

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    what does any of that have to do with anything I said? By the way, that wikepedia page doesn’t contain the word “closed” anywhere in it. just saying

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      A double pendulum is bound by definition! It is a fixed point, a line with a 2 axis joint, and another line. That’s the definition.

      Just because a system is chaotic doesn’t mean it can move in unlimited ways. A chaotic pendulum cannot move outside it’s predefined limits of its geometry despite being chaotic.

      The real world imposes far more constraints. A double pendulum starts out in a known state. It gets pushed. It moves chaotically for a minute, then returns to its original rest state.

      In the context of Hitler’s parents, you shove the dad, he moves chaotically for a second, then goes back to walking. No long term change has happened.

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        I completely agree with what this comment says. It’s still irrelevant though. Where did I say it has to be unbounded? You are countering an argument I did not make. Whether the result is divergent or not is irrelevant. The point is that “not having a closed form solution” is not the meaning of chaos, which was your original wrong statement.

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          No closed form solution is one property. It’s not wrong, only incomplete. But if a system of equations had a closed form solution, it wouldn’t be called chaotic. For example any exponential equation like x^y is extremely sensitive to initial conditions yet it isn’t chaotic.

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              'Robert L. Devaney, says that to classify a dynamical system as chaotic, it must have these properties:[22]

              it must be sensitive to initial conditions, it must be topologically transitive, it must have dense periodic orbits. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

              f(x)=x^y doesn’t satisfy those 3 conditions. Nor does the paper you linked say that x^y is a chaotic equation.

              That function in the paper cannot be solved for an input because of its sensitivity to initial input. He used a computer to simulate the time steps. He couldn’t immediately calculate any point on the the plot like y^x.