• GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    “effortlessly eradicating”

    Look, even if you’re optimistic about how Ukraine has been doing or the damage it has done to Russia (and it has done damage, certainly), saying that it has “effortlessly eradicated” Russia’s military capabilities is absurd

    “without even risking American lives”

    This, however, is a good encapsulation of the non-MIC-grift side of the government’s strategy. Ukrainian lives are virtually worthless to them, so they may as well throw them into the meat grinder no matter how low the net gain because any damage to their geopolitical opponents is worth it.

    The more-informed people who support this are some combination of cynical monsters who view dead Americans as a liability and sick chauvinists who think only Americans really count as human (unless there’s some outrage fodder to be made of others). It’s alarming to see this calculus proudly touted by someone who presumably doesn’t identify by either of those labels.

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      We gave resources we have in abundance and won’t miss to a committed defense force who has defeated the extended and then domestic military reach of Russia. It didn’t cost Americans anything, bodily or economically. The price of eggs went up because of corporate profiteering, not because we spent less than 4% of our bloated military budget defeating Russia by proxy.

      Secondly, you’re making a false equivalence. Appreciating that Americans are not dying while removing a real threat does not mean that you do not appreciate and value the Ukrainians who are making sacrifices.

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        Secondly, you’re making a false equivalence. Appreciating that Americans are not dying while removing a real threat does not mean that you do not appreciate and value the Ukrainians who are making sacrifices.

        100% bullshit. From a humanitarian perspective, one in which there is no difference in value between an American life and a Ukrainian life, the fact that no Americans died because the meat grinder is in Ukraine and killing almost-exclusively slavs is a ridiculous thing to tout. It’s not an accomplishment to not lose your own people when it’s a proxy war, you’re just sending a different population to be slaughtered!

        Can you even imagine – in a world where China was actually backing Russia – China boasting about doing immense economic damage to NATO without sacrificing any Chinese? That would be a fucked up way to evaluate it compared to considering the human cost apart from national lines, even just on “your own side.”

        This shit is why predditors love to say “I don’t like Hitler, but at least he didn’t kill his own people” (ignoring that he did just like we’re ignoring Americans actually have been killed in Ukraine). Ultimately, the chauvinism is as bad as it ever was, it’s just dressed up with more false “we see you, we hear you” pretenses about the people being killed.