• HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works
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    Critical thinking skills.

    It just astounds me when people who should know what this is and how to practice it, don’t.

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    Good communication skills. Being able to tell someone else what you mean so they or anyone else could understand. My boss is beyond awful at it makes getting anything done a struggle at times.

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      I’ve started casually consuming history content. Othering is basically the #1 social activity for humans unfortunately.

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    Basics of money.

    Like putting away one third of your money every month, keeping a budget, learning when to splurge to maintain self control (budgets not too tight) and learning to live below your means at any cost.

    The magic part is the other half of that equation. Money grows in it’s own (though slowly) and putting some away for later starts paying for its own pretty soon.

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    Apparently a lot of older people were never taught algebra. I have a lot of math in my life so I find that weird.

    A basic skill that I lack is the habit of keeping things clean. I do my cleaning in bursts, which can be counterproductive because my space is messy between those bursts. It’s a basic skill, and one that I’m working to improve, but it sure does not come naturally to me!

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      Think of everything you do as a circular process. It starts with a clean state. Progresses to using something and making something dirty, and it should end up where you started, so you complete that line by putting away stuff and maintaining the surfaces you used.

      Some processes involve breaks for people, like eating and taking a nap, but then you get up and while making a coffee you complete the circle.

      When you get advanced, these circles start to run in parallel and intermesh and that’s fine if you can manage completing all of them regularly.

      For me the hardest part is managing impulses and sticking to the process. It avoids emotions about lengthening the process later on (needing to clean up before being able to make food again).

  • Empathy. It shocks me how many “adults” have a toddler-level understanding of their relationship to the world (as in it doesn’t revolve around them) and society (as in we have responsibility for each other). So many “adults” sound like screeching toddlers whenever there’s a hint of someone else getting something they don’t get. It even reaches the level of “I don’t like this movie so it shouldn’t have been made” as if the very existence of entertainment or education or whatever in a field they themselves don’t prefer is a personal affront.

    And this isn’t even a right-wing thing. The feminist National Action Committee in Canada was turned from a potent and feared political force to a laughingstock by ostensible left-wing women deciding that their concerns over daycare trumped native women’s active murders among other intersectional issues.

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      Something that bothers me about a lot of people’s sense of empathy is that they’re only able to employ it by directly relating events to themselves. It’s like a stereotypical “How would you feel if this happened to your daughter?” thing, where people can only extend empathy as far as a situation that it’s possible for them to get into.

      I also hear this a lot around disasters, whether they be natural, terrorist attacks, etc. If you’re around somebody who has been anywhere near the location of the event, get ready for the “Gosh, that’s so awful. I was only there six years ago, it could have been me.” Can’t you just fucking care about the wellbeing of things that aren’t you? Feel bad because a bad thing happened, not by making it about yourself.

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        where people can only extend empathy as far as a situation that it’s possible for them to get into.

        I wonder if there is a distinguishing term for this.

        Empathy = The ability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes (no matter how different they are from you)

        ? = The “ability” to imagine yourself in a situation that someone else, who’s very similar to you, experienced.

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        I don’t see what’s wrong with that. That’s also empathy, just not everybody follow the same way to feel it.

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        Selfishness can be trained away, lack of empathy not very much it seems.

        Happily we store all these non-empats in position of power.

        • I think empathy can be trained. Children in general (I mean very young children) have no empathy. They’re vicious little sociopaths. But if they’re gently introduced to empathy as they grow, by the time they’re, like, 5 they will have empathy. (Those who were not taught to be empathic by 5 will never be able to develop it.

          coughMuskcough coughTrumpcough

          But you can lose empathy over time. Trauma can make you lose empathy. Fury (c.f. my above rant about COVID-19) can make you lose empathy. Tragedy can make you lose empathy. THAT kind of empathy loss, however, can be re-learned. It’s not even all that hard. The world just has to stop beating up on you a while, or you just have to meet someone who has it worse than you do to snap back.

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        I lost most of mine during Covid. The amount of selfishness by people during that time has made me want to never be empathetic towards them… and there were A LOT of selfish people.

        • I have to confess I lost all empathy for people in the west over COVID for a while. While we were being hit with the heaviest and largest quarantine in history, cowering down in terror in our apartments, I kept one thought in my head in the first two weeks: “We’re suffering so the rest of the world has time to prepare and fight back.”

          Then all y’all didn’t prepare. Didn’t fight back. Instead broke quarantine restrictions because you needed a fucking haircut.

          I mean even ignoring the clown-pants-wearing CDC, the sheer utter shitfuckery of the average person freaking out because they had to wear a couple of fucking grams of paper over their mouth and nose, squealing like stuck pigs and generally acting like entitled shitheads over it, not to mention the people who not only broke quarantine, but fucking bragged about it on social media (like the bridal shower that turned into a massive cluster of cases), just had me gobsmacked in disbelief.

          So when Wuhan opened up again and people did things like celebrate with a massive pool party that sent shockwaves of (typical) hatred at the Chinese around the world for daring to celebrate after living through the worst quarantine in history and coming out whole, I decided all y’all chucklefucks could die for all I gave a shit about.

          Took me a few years to shove that rage back down and clamp it into a red-hot ball deep in my heart.

          Now I feel sorry for people suffering again.

          Except Trump supporters suffering at the hands of his idiot policies, I mean.

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        In guilty of this. I usually know what they want to say at word 3 or 4. Waiting it out is exhausting. Not waiting it out is rude. Hard either way, not talking to people, way easier.

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    Imagining the potential of a prototype.

    “So with this prototype I want to explore aspect A”

    “I don’t like it. I don’t want this as a final product.”

    “Ok. Do you like aspect A? Imagine all other things were finished as you like it.”

    “No, I don’t like this product.”

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      Same for apps and sites. Having to explain to someone multiple times that I’m not trying to force their users to be bilingual just because there is “lorem ipsum” text on the page is rough.

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    Math, and I mean basic math: adding, subtracting, multiplication, division. Basic understanding of fractions, basic understanding of percentages.

    I’m not amazing at math but I consider this basic and with relatively regular day to day application. I’m not saying people should be able to make these operations without a calculator on the fly, I certainly couldn’t in many cases. But I would expect people to know what math you need to apply to, say, calculate a 20% discount. I would expect people to know if, say, two thirds is more or less than three quarters. But no. Nope

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      I’m an engineer by training which includes a lot of higher math training. Also have been running my own company for years. But still learned this basic stuff way later. This is something that should taught in school.

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        … you got an engineering degree not knowing basic percentages and fractions?

        … isn’t this taught in schools? I definitely learned it before age 12

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          Applications in daily things like taxes, rebates and the like. It is, but somehow it only sunk in late in life.

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      People being bad at math isn’t a new thing but it is getting worse now with everyone having a calculator (phone) in their pocket.

      Also. Great time to dust off this old gem.

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        I’m not sure if having a calculator available makes it worse. The calculator only does the operation. It doesn’t reason which operation needs to be done, it just does what you tell it to do. And that’s where people fail at, understanding the concept behind the operation.

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          Yep. I agree. Knowing the logic behind math, namely what values need to be where in a formula and processing it in order, is a problem.

          I think this is one of the reasons a bachelors degree in comupter science is so highly valued for too many jobs. The degree has a good amount of math requirements even though they’re not needed for programming. I think the reason behind that is succeeding in that much logical thinking means you can learn/follow the rules/syntax of coding languages.

          In the business world they hope people with that much understanding in math have a good head on their shoulders.

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      I frequently do blatantly inaccurate math just to spitball, and when I say the numbers that I’m computing out loud, people get amazed that I can keep track of so many numbers when I’m only tracking the result of the previous calculation and the operator that I’m about to perform.

      I’m like, dude, if you accounted for the rounding errors, you would realize how fucking wrong I am, but this math is not precision-important, and so I’m just trying to get an idea of the scope of the numbers that I need to address whatever problem I’m working on.

      For instance, if you asked me to spitball how far it is from Los Angeles, California to Atlanta, Georgia, and how long it would take you to drive that, I would assume you would average about 50 miles an hour after breaks and whatnot that you would be able to drive approximately 12 hours a day, which means you could clear 600 miles, and off the top of my head I would guess it’s about 3,200 miles between Los Angeles and Atlanta, assuming that you stay on the 40 as much as you can once you get to Amarillo, TX, so I would assume that the average driver would take five days and approximately four hours to drive that distance.

      This is very off the cuff, off the top of my head, I could be 600 miles off on the distance in either directions, I could be 10, 12 miles an hour in drive time off in either direction, and I could be off 4 or 5 hours or not even account for a co-driver on the trip.

      You can do the trip in like 2ish days. I have done the trip in like twoish days.

      But, reality and guesstimation are two separate things, and there’s no reason to be amazed by somebody’s guesstimation capabilities. It’s very basic math that doesn’t require any skill greater than your multiplication tables.

      I don’t know why more people aren’t good at it.

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      Eh, it depends. I don’t know how to sew, except to fix a hole in my sock. Couldn’t make a coat, never needed or wanted to.
      My mother can’t use a computer besides checking her emails and finding a movie to watch, which is all she needs and wants to know.
      Now, if it’s your job to use one effectively and haven’t got a clue? I expect you’d end up in management in no time.