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    It’s wasn’t the ethnic cleansing of Jews that was bad, it was the ethnic cleansing of Jews that was bad.

    The more Israelis who wake up to this, the better.

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      The more Israelis who wake up to this, the better.

      This number is and has always been a rounding error. Better not count on it.

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      This isn’t the only genocide happening in the world, just the one with the most media attention. West Papua, Ukraine, Uyghurs in China, Sudan… The list goes on. Also, the West Papua Genocide has been going on for over 60 years now.

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        Not like Hamas wouldn’t genocide the shit out of Israelians if they had the means.

        Hamas wouldn’t exist if they had the means; they’re a resistance organization.

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        Not like Hamas wouldn’t genocide the shit out of Israelians if they had the means.

        Well, yeah, because they’ve been radicalized by having their families brutally killed in front of them. Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

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            Too many falsehoods and lies to warrant a response. But it is worth mentioning that Hamas accepts the 1967 borders and a 2-state solution while Likud doesn’t. Arab countries have been trying to make peace with Israel based on the same premise but Israel -Likud and right wing parties particularly- reject any Palestinian statehood.

            Your comment is hypocritical coming from the continent that gave us colonialism, ethnic cleansing and two world wars. Our region has attracted invaders throughout history from the Greeks and Romans of antiquity to the Mongols and Crusaders of the medieval era to modern European and US colonialism and imperialism due to its location, and nothing inherently wrong with us.

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    why would you invite a war criminal to remember the holocaust?

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    I would like to invite, to the stage, all the Jews who were complaining that calling Israel’s actions a genocide is diminishing the importance of the Holocaust

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    Did he take the literal nazis’ dicks he’s been sucking out of his mouth before he said that?

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      This was a pretty interesting read: https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

      There was a point where many peace activists saw zionism as a good thing, but then the zionists chose a fascist leader. To be fair in the 1940s it might not have been clear yet that religious nationalism is bad and tends to lead to fascism. What’s odd is that many still haven’t figured this out yet.

      This of course applies to Hamas as well, which is why there’s not going to be peace in the middle east until there’s a secular group in charge of things on at least one of the sides.

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        Most religious people don’t understand that it’d also be bad if their religion was in charge.

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          People in the Middle East aren’t generic and interchangeable. Jews from India or Iraq or Yemen or Ethiopia or Iran or Morocco or Tunisia are still foreign invaders and not indigenous to Palestine. Netanyahu is still European as are the majority of political leaders and every prime minister Israel had so far. The culture that dominated and still dominates Israel’s political and social life is a European culture that is foreign to Palestine and the region.

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          Okay and? I’m from Egypt and I wouldn’t call myself a native of Iraq. Note that Middle Eastern Jews, having been expelled by the locals, were very much justified in going anywhere that would take them, but that’s neither here nor there.

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      Honestly Hamas is what struck the match for Israel to start killing. Mass killings are not ok but Hamas isn’t the good guy here. If they had more military strength there would be a lot more dead Israelis.

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        2023 was one of the deadliest years for Palestinians prior to October.

        *In the West Bank ^

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        Honestly Hamas is what struck the match for Israel to start killing.

        May I interest you in literally all of Palestinian history? What did you want them to do? Sit on their asses as they’re starved and the West bank is ethnically cleansed by the Nazis?

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            For the first three: Why the hell did they have to give up their land to people who explicitly wanted to create an apartheid state?

            For the rest: Pick any one of those and I’ll explain in detail why it was another farce. You’ll also have to explain what 1967 peace deal there was for Palestinians to accept.

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              Under UN partition plan nobody would have needed to move. Everybody would stay where they live already. Jewish immigration would only go to one of the states. It was always planned with a minority of Jews in the Arab state and a minority of Arabs in the Jewish state. So no giving up land that was privately owned. All land acquired by Zionists until 1948 was legally purchased.

              Why? To avoid war.

              Between 1948 and 1967 Palestinians could have accepted Israel’s existence and declared a Palestinian state in the non occupied West Bank and Gaza.

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                Everybody would stay where they live already. Jewish immigration would only go to one of the states. It was always planned with a minority of Jews in the Arab state and a minority of Arabs in the Jewish state. So no giving up land that was privately owned. All land acquired by Zionists until 1948 was legally purchased.

                Are you aware of what Zionists did in the Nakba? Are you aware of why they committed the Nakba? Zionists wanted a Jewish state with an overwhelmingly Jewish majority so they could maintain the facade of a Jewish democratic state. Ethnic cleansing was simply the solution to that “problem”. There’s no world in which Palestinians would be allowed to etay peacefully in their land because they’d never vote for Zionists. Also look at the shit they did after they won the war and the shit they keep doing now. Are these the actions of people that were ever going to respect private land ownership?

                We must expel Arabs and take their place.

                -Ben Gurion, 1937.

                Zionists could’ve accepted the Palestinian proposal of a mutli-ethnic democracy spanning all of Palestine, which in theory should’ve posed no issue, but they didn’t because it wouldn’t be a Jewish-dominated apartheid state.

                Between 1948 and 1967 Palestinians could have accepted Israel’s existence and declared a Palestinian state in the non occupied West Bank and Gaza.

                They were occupied—by neighboring Arab states. And either way that’s not a peace deal. Did you have something concrete in mind or were you just lying?

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                  20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs today, with full rights.

                  Look up what the Arab leaders said at the time.

                  Zionists could’ve accepted the Palestinian proposal of a mutli-ethnic democracy spanning all of Palestine

                  What offer are you talking about?