• The_v@lemmy.world
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    The worst nuclear disaster has led to 1,000sq miles of land being unsafe for human inhabitants.

    Using fossil fuels for power is destroying of the entire planet.

    It’s really not that complicated.

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      Except that nuclear isn’t the only, or even the cheapest, alternative to fossil fuels.

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      Except that powering the world with nuclear would require thousands of reactors and so much more disasters. This doesn’t even factor the space abandonned to store «normal» toxic materials.

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        This doesn’t even factor the space abandonned to store «normal» toxic materials.

        You mean under ground from where it was dug out?

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          The plant itself, water inevitably getting in contact with wastes and leaking also.

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            You mean water under ground? It was in contact million years before any of us was born.

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              Million years were sufficient for the radioactivity to decay before life started to evolve on earth.

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      Both sound terrible.

      I don’t really want to pick the lessor of two evils when it comes to the energy.

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        By not picking, you are picking fossil fuels. Because we can’t fully replace everything with solar/wind yet, and fossil fuels are already being burned as we speak.

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          No, give me an option that doesn’t make a part of the world uninhabitable or increases climate change.

          That just a stupid comparison and is there any reason why we can’t also do wind solar thermal hydro also? It’s fossil fuels or nuclear and that’s it huh?

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            I never said we can’t do also wind, solar, thermal, and hydro; in fact we have to do all of them. But, hydro isn’t possible in most places (and also makes “a part of the world uninhabitable” too — look at how much the Three Gorges Dam displaced, for example), nor is geothermal. And wind and solar are inconsistent — great as part of it, but they can’t be the entirety of the grid, unless you want the entire country to go dark on a cloudy day, cuz we simply can’t make batteries store that much.

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              I get so frustrated when I see people recommend hydro as a solution to climate change. Human intervention to fresh water systems is still a major ecological disaster. It’s like cutting off one hand to save the other.

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          No, give me an option that doesn’t make a part of the world uninhabitable or increases climate change.

          That just a stupid comparison and is there any reason why we can’t also do wind solar thermal hydro also? It’s fossil fuels or nuclear and that’s it?

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          The option proposed is that making a small area of the planet inhabitable or worsening climate change. Sorry but that’s a shitty comparison.

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            No. The original comment said the “worst disaster made a very small she’s of the planet uninhabitable”. Keep in mind this disaster was the result of Soviet incompetence and completely avoidable with standards implemented in the US.

            They’re saying our “worst case scenario” using nuclear power is better than worst case scenario continuing to use fossil fuels.

            Likelihood of worse case scenario using nuclear power is also extremely low. Whereas worst case scenario (billions of people dying) for continuing to use fossil fuels is EXTREMELY HIGH.

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            Bet you’d feel* differently if you were a resident of one of the island nations that’s going to drown in the next decade or two. That part of the world’s definitely going to be uninhabitable if we continue to do nothing.

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              So installing a nuclear reactor in my province where we have ample hydro electric power options would save that island?

              It’s like you are yell at everyone saying nuclear power or die. There are lots of options to clean reliable energy. In some cases nuclear will be the best option but not always.

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                You called me suspicious so here I am fulfilling that expectation. Here’s a fucking great video on why dams, and therefore hydro power, are dangerous and ecologically damaging. The only point I was trying to make is that your argument against nuclear, that it might cause an area of land to become uninhabitable, is flawed. Dams always make an area of land uninhabitable.

                https://youtu.be/AL57dSIXqBM

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                I’m not that pro-nuclear. You just made a shitty comparison ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                Edit: Also if you think hydro is the solution, again, more uninhabitable land. Dams are their own ecological disaster.

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          This is an important comment. We need to collectively, outright, use less of everything.

          Admittedly, fighting even my own goddamn subconscious and its desires is tough. “Get that new motorcycle, it’s got better emissions standards than your old bike”… old one’s just fine.

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        Hello, my German friend. I hope your gas reserves are full and coal dust is filling your lungs. /joke