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I wouldn’t even consider buying a car because of their policy around car play. Won’t even look at it.
Why can’t it just work like a dock for any device? Why does it have to be carplay or android auto with locked down protocols?
Because of ✨capitalism✨.
It’s an anticompetitive practice, that’s why.
They’re all preparing to remove choice as we start to lose competition due to Trump Economy
Fuck Trump, but this one is a bipartisan effort that has been ongoing since the Clinton administration accelerated the deregulation train. There has also been very little action towards anti-competitive practices for a very long time.
Don’t get suckered into a red vs blue mindset here. This is a battle against corporate and billionaire abuse of power.
EDIT: If I am being honest, I was all onboard the deregulation train back in the nineties. I was young and ignorant. I never imagined the damage it would bring.
It was a lot more practical for new players to enter most of these markets back in the 90s, before the megacorps started to fully metastasize. Deregulation [of some industries] wasn’t the objectively bad choice that hind sight makes it seem like back then, just something worth trying to see if it improved outcomes. Remember, regulations are supposed to regularly change to meet the needs of the time, not be a lifetime commitment one way or the other that the political deadlock of the '00s and '10s made it seem.
before the megacorps started to fully metastasize
Almost the entirety of US car manufacturing is done by three carmakers. It’s been like that since at least the end of WW2.
There has also been very little action towards anti-competitive practices for a very long time.
Obama establishing the CFPB was a pretty big win for Americans.
IMO cars that have their own infotainment system should also allow Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Give the user a choice. Collect metrics about how many people use Android Auto / CarPlay vs the native infotainment system. Maybe survey people who use Android Auto or CarPlay often to see what they think is missing from the native infotainment system. Iterate. Get people to use the native infotainment because it’s better, not because you force them to.
I’ve got a BMW iX and the in-built map is very good, but I like knowing that I can switch to Android Auto if I encounter issues with it.
Yeah but if you allow people to choose, you can’t force them to use your apps and buy within your walled garden.
You’re missing out on all that revenue.
That’s true and I hate it. I miss the older days of the internet when protocols were mostly open and people were more focused on collaboration and interoperability.
Slightly related. Wtf happened to the Apple CarPlay 2.0 thing that was supposed to fully integrate into the center console and digital dashboard screens that would allow the in-built UI to be overridden completely?
From an engineer at one of the legacy car manufacturers, they don’t want CarPlay 2 because it has privacy controls. They don’t want to give up so much access to the car, then have to access it over Apple APIs limited by privacy controls
I came to this conclusion shortly after posting this. Thanks for the confirmation.
Manufacturers are contemplating how to win back control over the UI of their vehicles. They remain completely oblivious to why CarPlay succeeded in the first place.
Possibly the fact many customers don’t want it. According to three Apple CarPlay site:
With digital car keys and the already seamless experience of Apple CarPlay, there are more ways than ever to take your iPhone on the road. With car keys, you can unlock and start your car with iPhone. And CarPlay gives you the ability to safely use what you love about your iPhone while you drive.
I don’t have an iPhone, so from all the marketing blurbs, it’s pretty much saying “Spend a ton of extra money for something you can never use.” I’ll pass on spending $1000+ on that useless"upgrade". And since Apple is notorious about locking iThings to Apple only hardware (or just not having full functionality when they do allow it), I doubt I’m alone in this thought.
Interesting pov. Thanks for sharing!
https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us/models/db12
I think, it is in this car
That settles it then, I’m getting an Aston (like I needed more reasons to lust after them haha).
Just put it on the card. Oh that one is maxed? Put it on this one. Oh that too? Okay then use this card. Same thing huh? Well try this one here. Oh th-
Bought a 2015 mustang and had to upgrade the Sync2 to Sync3 for about $1300. That’s when CarPlay was capable with Sync3. Made the car a thousand times better.
Don’t buy cars like this, that’s the only thing that will help.
And considering it’s GM, it’s not really hard to avoid buying them when there are better options.
Don’t you dare give consumers what they want.
Does all EV require travel destination for battery preconditioning ? If so EV have kind of spying as a feature.
No.
Why would you want an infotainment system in your car? I don’t get it. All I want when I’m driving is navigation and music/podcast, and I can just use my phone for both
Guess what device Apple CarPlay uses for all its features.
So then why bother with a weird built-in system? Just stick your phone somewhere and you’re good
It’s only weird because it’s not CarPlay or Android Auto. As soon as you have one of those it suddenly becomes nice and useful.
Then it’s a nice big touch screen that has everything you need from your phone.
It lets your phone use the larger screen for satnav. It also reconfigures it to a better setup for driving (bigger buttons and reduced complexity). This also means your phone doesn’t need to be sat in the sun, with its screen lit up for a couple of hours, and so overheating.
My phone no longer even leaves my pocket. It wirelessly links to the entertainment system.
Why would I take out my phone instead of using the bigger screen built into my car?
You’re supposed to be watching the road mate, not some screen
Why are you pulling out your phone to change songs then?
Frankly I would like to not use Apple CarPlay / Android Auto — however, the built in software needs to actually usable and continuously updated.
I particularly want to see better non-touch input. Rotary dial + buttons à la Mazda, and much better voice input. I live in a multilingual region, and it consequently renders most in-built navigation voice commands useless, as it won’t understand language switching. Even Google assitant has issues with this despite supporting multiple input languages, usually resulting in me saying the entire command in the same language as the address. (Or just giving up if the name and street are in two languages).
But with built in systems that only support one language at a time, I just can’t say some of the addresses since I don’t know how it wants me to mispronounce them in English.
I also have found media playback frustrating in any modern vehicle. This is likely a lot harder to solve, but the inability to switch playlists or change playback settings without my phone connected to Android Auto is frustrating when in vehicles without it.
I know this is very ranty and not that big of a deal, it’s just frustrating seeing so little progress in the past decade on this front — and in some aspects like human interface design of vehicles, they have frankly regressed. If I look at the voice input systems on cars from 15-20 years ago there has been huge improvement, but even 10 years ago to now it doesn’t feel that different. Maybe a few new commands, but the quality of recognition / utility of the system is lacking.
continuously updated
Hahaha… hahahahahahahaha
Some of the newer auto manufacturers do that. Telsa, Rivian, etc. Those companies all have good in-house software developers. Almost everyone else farms this stuff out, which is why it’s never updated.
Media playback is easy: find the line in jack hidden away somewhere. Plug phone into it. Ignore infotainment console.
