Well, the implication of the comic is that funds for police training go to police militarization. I’m asking if this actually happened, but like you suggest it’s probably more of a vibes thing.
Wow.
Yes.
Cops are not judge jury and executioner, and they should be able to de-escalate almost any situation, it’s literally their fucking job.
Never mind that most other police forces around the world, while also bastards that serve capitalism and the state, still manage to enforce their authority without guns. So maybe just stop there for a minute and think about that entirely fucked up statement you just made, and what makes you think that’s normal, let alone justifiable.
You have unrealistic expectations. Not every situation can be de-escalated. And when violence is actively occurring, sometimes shooting someone IS the most reasonable de-escalation.
If you’re saying most police forces around the world don’t have guns, that’s complete bullshit.
If you’re saying most police forces around the world enforce their authority without pulling out their guns, the same applies to the US.
You are in an echo chamber and believe things that aren’t true.
And you live in a fairytale world. Do some research, police in the USA murder civilians at an absolutely alarming rate compared to other developed countries.
It literally is a rare event. It may not seem that way when media everywhere you look (especially social media) repeats the same events over and over, but it literally is a rare event.
The fact that this happens incredibly more commonly in the US than any other and you so zealously defend them despite the incredibly obvious and available evidence is moronic at best.
Yeah, but just as you wouldn’t trust an airline that crashes as often as cops have unjustified shootings, why would you trust cops? One bad apple spoils the bunch. The police force can’t and shouldn’t have unjustified shootings. I understand there are dangers etc etc, but that is something they need to prepare for. They are given greater authority and that should come with greater responsibility.
The answer is not to give more money to police, who already take on average between 30-70% of the entire budget in their cities. The answer is to work towards abolishing the police. This is done a few ways, all simultaneously, and a good first step is things like Eugene Oregons CAHOOTS program or Denver’s STARS program.
Even if you believe in the myth that police are there to protect, 90% of the functions they currently serve have nothing to do with protection, but rather their primary purpose is to ensure compliance and subordination to the systems. Policing is inherently right wing work, and will forever attract primarily right wing individuals.
The vast majority of police functions could and are better served by civilians. So even in you believe that we need police, there’s evidence to show that we don’t need police performing nearly as many functions as they do now. If they are to remain, they should remain only as acute crisis response teams, on a primarily volunteer basis, much in the way the fire department works.
their primary purpose is to ensure compliance and subordination to the systems.
Is the government not to ensure compliance? I don’t see how most laws would work if you don’t need to comply with them. The threat of violence is rarely used, but I would think it still needs to be there in some capacity.
Is there an example of this happening? Would the money not be earmarked?
You’d think the fact that despite all the money for “training” the keep killing more and more people, would be evidence enough?
Well, the implication of the comic is that funds for police training go to police militarization. I’m asking if this actually happened, but like you suggest it’s probably more of a vibes thing.
Atlanta’s Cop City is an example of police militarization.
Is it completely unfathomable that the majority of shootings are justified?
Wow.
Yes.
Cops are not judge jury and executioner, and they should be able to de-escalate almost any situation, it’s literally their fucking job.
Never mind that most other police forces around the world, while also bastards that serve capitalism and the state, still manage to enforce their authority without guns. So maybe just stop there for a minute and think about that entirely fucked up statement you just made, and what makes you think that’s normal, let alone justifiable.
You have unrealistic expectations. Not every situation can be de-escalated. And when violence is actively occurring, sometimes shooting someone IS the most reasonable de-escalation.
If you’re saying most police forces around the world don’t have guns, that’s complete bullshit.
If you’re saying most police forces around the world enforce their authority without pulling out their guns, the same applies to the US.
You are in an echo chamber and believe things that aren’t true.
And you live in a fairytale world. Do some research, police in the USA murder civilians at an absolutely alarming rate compared to other developed countries.
I like how you ignored most of what he said.
Yes. Literally.
If the United States Constitution were really being respected, extrajudicial killings would be exceptionally rare events.
It literally is a rare event. It may not seem that way when media everywhere you look (especially social media) repeats the same events over and over, but it literally is a rare event.
“Rare event”, for incredibly incorrect definitions of “rare”.
Every time I look there is a new obscene event. Just ten days ago, a Latino man was shot in Philadelphia for running at an officer with a knife. Body cam footage revealed the man was still sitting in his car when an officer pulled a firearm and shot him.
The fact that this happens incredibly more commonly in the US than any other and you so zealously defend them despite the incredibly obvious and available evidence is moronic at best.
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Don’t knock it till you try it
Yeah, but just as you wouldn’t trust an airline that crashes as often as cops have unjustified shootings, why would you trust cops? One bad apple spoils the bunch. The police force can’t and shouldn’t have unjustified shootings. I understand there are dangers etc etc, but that is something they need to prepare for. They are given greater authority and that should come with greater responsibility.
Read the 5th ammendment
Yes
It seemed like a more specific claim. The culture problems could just be really bad, or the training was lazy or likely both.
Even in instances where it is used for training, often the training itself is problematic.
See: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/04/daunte-wright-and-crisis-american-police-training/618649/
The answer is not to give more money to police, who already take on average between 30-70% of the entire budget in their cities. The answer is to work towards abolishing the police. This is done a few ways, all simultaneously, and a good first step is things like Eugene Oregons CAHOOTS program or Denver’s STARS program.
See: https://whitebirdclinic.org/what-is-cahoots/
And: https://www.denverpost.com/2022/02/20/denver-star-program-expansion/
Even if you believe in the myth that police are there to protect, 90% of the functions they currently serve have nothing to do with protection, but rather their primary purpose is to ensure compliance and subordination to the systems. Policing is inherently right wing work, and will forever attract primarily right wing individuals.
The vast majority of police functions could and are better served by civilians. So even in you believe that we need police, there’s evidence to show that we don’t need police performing nearly as many functions as they do now. If they are to remain, they should remain only as acute crisis response teams, on a primarily volunteer basis, much in the way the fire department works.
Oh, that all sounds great. I really was just curious about this specific case of using training money for buying tanks.
Of course it had to be Florida
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/fl-ne-police-agencies-military-equipment-20200729-556vs4jrbbdtvonkvrts5il5be-story.html
Is the government not to ensure compliance? I don’t see how most laws would work if you don’t need to comply with them. The threat of violence is rarely used, but I would think it still needs to be there in some capacity.