• fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
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    3 days ago

    Ubuntu no longer supplies value over Debian. Made the switch and can barely tell the difference. And no snaps.

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    5 days ago

    Man I used to love Ubuntu. Then snaps…and it broke a lot of things. Now I’m on other oses. But I appreciate what they did to the Debian flavors of distos.

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    5 days ago

    They work reasonably well, you can update them whenever you want and they are optional. Your Firefox installation won’t suddenly turn into a Flatpak overnight.

    This kind of heavy handed management of change is unacceptable. Ubuntu deserves all the bad publicity they’re getting from this.

    Then again, change is always hard, so there’s no easy way around this problem. Once canonical has implemented all the major changes they have in mind, Ubuntu could be worth testing again. In the meantime, it’s hard to recommend it to anyone.

    Fedora is clearly a safer choice even though it too changes frequently. I used to update my system through the GUI, but over the years, that method became unreliable, and eventually broke completely. I ended up updating through the CLI instead, which isn’t something I can remember to everyone.

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    LOL this is me. Bonus points for the immuteable versions. The first truly desktop linux that “just works” and dare I say improves over windows in basically every way.

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    At those times I swear, I have a knack for avoiding problems before they appear.

    Some years ago I migrated from Ubuntu to Debian. It was due to something silly, like defaults. Then I got pissed with Debian Stable, went to Testing, got pissed again… and for some reason instead of going back to Ubuntu I gave Mint a try.

    Then people started talking about snaps a lot, and I gave them a try in Mint. This was in a potato computer so I could clearly notice how slow they were to start. Nope.

    Then Ubuntu started forcing them every where, but by then I could simply say “Not My Problem®”. Mint maintainers are clearly against snaps, and I’m happy with it.

    Glad to see Õunapuu also found a way to handle the problem by changing distros. I’m too deep into the APT rabbit hole to get used to Fedora, but it seems like a good choice regardless.

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    Somehow I’ve drifted back to Ubuntu because of work. It’s useful being on the same os as everyone else when troubleshooting, but I hate how I have to “fix” it on every fresh install, it just put up with broken snaps and constantly crashing security updates.

    Honestly Arch was less work than this.

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      3 days ago

      You are comparing Apples to Oranges

      I would run Linux Mint since it is Ubuntu based but doesn’t have the same issues.

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    5 days ago

    I’m in the process of switching from Ubuntu/Mint to Fedora. I’m trying it on my laptop first; if that goes well, I’ve got 2 others to switch over.

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        3 days ago

        Amongst others, yes. But not every distro is red hat’s testing ground, and not every distro operates under US jurisdiction. I’m sure you do actually know the difference.

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      Is not Fedora independent of red hat?

      Except for the upstream (or downstream since they are bleeding edge) development, I always assume they are isolated from red hat influence.

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        Iirc, a crapton of RH ppl work on Fedora, since it’s their “sandbox for RHEL” distro.

        And while I fuckin’ HATE what IBM/RH BS tries to pull in some areas, it doesn’t prevent me from running Fedora derivatives daily.