You’re talking to people that want to continue rationalizing their tacit, frequently racist support for genocide, and their easiest out has always been to say, “but Trump is worse”. They have never done the introspection required to look at their own personal role as a political being beyond what they’re told to do by the Democratic Party and their donors: slacktivist vote shaming, always presuming the high ground for themselves (even while tolerating genocide!), and doing as little as possible on the ground outside of minor exercises in false catharsis like a cop-escorted, permitted march or an ignored letter writing campaign.

When challenged on this by people on the left that do read and do self-reflect, these are the folks that responded in bad faith, even when the context is genocide, because they have made politics into an extension of their egos rather than a project to which to subordinate yourself and devote real work to.

Whining about .ml is their way of pretending to be vindicated every time Trump does something bad, as they cannot actually argue against what the people in .ml say, they must rely on inventions and emotional implications.

In short, many on .ml vocally opposed supporting genociding Democrats. None that I’m aware of expected Trump to be better. At best, a roll of the dice.

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Sorry, folks. I failed to consider that this is the home instance of the people being target by this comment.

Just to be clear, I’m not a big .ml fan, I’m just an anarchist who’s never seen this particular gripe of mine worded so nicely.

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    Sorry, folks. I failed to consider that this is the home instance of the people being target by this comment.

    “It’s upsetting to me that, here, people are allowed to defend themselves or raise counterarguments. It’s much more orderly in places where they can be banned for doing that, so we can talk shit about them unimpeded by anyone defending themselves against it.”

    • TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾OP
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      Not at all what I meant to say with that. I barely participate in .ml spaces, and I think the censorship there is whack. I legitimately made a mistake posting this here, is all. It’s like posting something offensive to queer people on blahaj, or posting a tankie-dunk on .ml. It’s just not appropriate

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        Hm… I mean, I’m not sure I would say that. I think it’s good to be able to talk about it. You raised a common perception, and I and some other people wanted to disagree with the perception because it’s offensive to us yes, and we got to talk about it. In my book, that’s a good thing. It’s part of how people get to understand each other.

        It might sound like I’m super-irritated at points during the conversation, but I’m really not heated about it. I’m just being vocal, in part because I’m being accused of being racist and supporting genocide and then lying about it. I do think this type of conversation is a good thing. The metaphor where disagreement is “violence” and certain spaces have to be “protected” against it, or against people being harsh when they disagree, because that’s hostile and awful, doesn’t make sense to me. I think disagreeing and being able to clash a little bit is a good thing. Like I said, it’s part of how people get to understand each other. For my side I’m very glad we had this whole conversation about it.

        • TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾OP
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          It sounds like my edit in the post body may have come across with a sarcastic or pompous tone, but I really did mean it genuinely

          I agree with you, I just didn’t intend to come here to argue lol. Tbh I normally just block people with your opinion, but it is nice to have discussions like this every now and then, and have my positions challenged

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            If you didn’t want an argument, accusing anyone opposed to Trump of being “people that want to continue rationalizing their tacit, frequently racist support for genocide,” and saying they’re only cloaking it in a deceptive framework of being anti-Trump, was not a strategic move 🙂.

            Like I said, the fact that there are places on Lemmy where you can say shit like that and it doesn’t cause an argument, says a lot more about the culture and nature of the conversations in those places than it does anything about the wider Lemmy community where you chose to post this. I do get what you mean, though. We good. It’s good to talk.

            • TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾OP
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              anyone opposed to Trump

              Just to be extra clear, myself and OOP oppose Trump. I don’t think you meant it that way, but I wanted to be clear

              If you didn’t want an argument, [this] was not a strategic move

              Yeah that’s what I’m saying, I made a mistake lol

              Also, I don’t think OOP was saying it’s deceptive, though I might argue there’s some self-deception going on under the hood. I know ‘cognitive dissonance’ gets thrown around a lot as a buzz word but, as a therapist, it really does look like that