You’re talking to people that want to continue rationalizing their tacit, frequently racist support for genocide, and their easiest out has always been to say, “but Trump is worse”. They have never done the introspection required to look at their own personal role as a political being beyond what they’re told to do by the Democratic Party and their donors: slacktivist vote shaming, always presuming the high ground for themselves (even while tolerating genocide!), and doing as little as possible on the ground outside of minor exercises in false catharsis like a cop-escorted, permitted march or an ignored letter writing campaign.
When challenged on this by people on the left that do read and do self-reflect, these are the folks that responded in bad faith, even when the context is genocide, because they have made politics into an extension of their egos rather than a project to which to subordinate yourself and devote real work to.
Whining about .ml is their way of pretending to be vindicated every time Trump does something bad, as they cannot actually argue against what the people in .ml say, they must rely on inventions and emotional implications.
In short, many on .ml vocally opposed supporting genociding Democrats. None that I’m aware of expected Trump to be better. At best, a roll of the dice.
Edit:
Sorry, folks. I failed to consider that this is the home instance of the people being target by this comment.
Just to be clear, I’m not a big .ml fan, I’m just an anarchist who’s never seen this particular gripe of mine worded so nicely.
So I said:
And then, having explicitly acknowledged the genocide, and Harris’s agreement and approval for it, and the devastating betrayal it would be for someone to have American weapons killing their family and then for the administration that’s doing it to turn around and ask for their vote, I got a long lecture about how the US and Biden actually are enabling genocide, and it is a genocide, and similar virtue-signaling things.
This is precisely the kind of thing I was talking about. I’m saying, Biden’s administration was already committing war crimes, but Trump is so much worse that it will be enabling a disaster not to vote to try to keep him out of power. And OOP responded:
Maybe I triggered them by editing the quote. I was trying to agree with it, but they literally said that the genocide was “carried out” by the Biden administration, which is factually wrong but was a common thing for people to blur the lines of at the time, so I edited it to the actual facts, which is “supplying weapons” in addition to the background of aid, agreement, and approval. The IDF are the ones actually carrying it out. And he seized on that edit to paint me as someone who needed to receive a lecture about how genocide actually is happening, and is bad, and we’re helping make it happen, as if I needed to hear any of that. The picking out of what I am “sounds like trying to say” so they can disagree with it, is very much precisely what I am picking out as a hostile and bad-faith way to enter into this entire process, in my original comment here.
I was also pretty disgusted by the way they took a pretty impassioned letter, from Palestinians, begging the Americans not to let Trump come to power, and used some variety of slimy accusations (“it is the same all over” “You will recognize the type”) to make it sound like obviously a pack of self-serving lies. I looked up a bit of information about the listed names, and I asked if they had specific knowledge about any of these specific people that would justify throwing their impassioned plea in the garbage and replacing it with their own stuff, and they did not.
Basically it sounded like they had no interest in what I was saying, but just wanted to create as much of a disagreement as possible so they could be in as superior a position to lecture me about how genocide was happening and Biden was enabling it. While explicitly rejecting what some actual Palestinians had to say about it. After a short time of trying to explain myself, I decided my time would be better spent elsewhere.
They gotta huff only the purest of farts