Dairy cattle in Nevada have been infected with a new type of bird flu that’s different from the version that has spread in U.S. herds since last year, Agriculture Department officials said Wednesday.

The detection indicates that distinct forms of the virus known as Type A H5N1 have spilled over from wild birds into cattle at least twice. Experts said it raises new questions about wider spread and the difficulty of controlling infections in animals and the people who work closely with them.

“I always thought one bird-to-cow transmission was a very rare event. Seems that may not be the case,” said Richard Webby, an influenza expert at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital.

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    I’m not suggesting a Google search. I’m telling you to read the paper and the papers it references for it’s LCAs

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          ok I think we have a few issues here. Firstly I am not even sure if any of the things I was talking about get their data from poore and nemecek wich as far as I can tell is about co2 from the little I have access to them. So its sorta a tangent for me to begin with. I think now I get that you are reference references that the poore and nemecek paper uses to show the data is limited in how it can be used. Ok so im a guy on the internet and while I do have some experience with evaluating scientific papers I don’t do it in my current day to day and im quite frankly not going to. I do know that it is common for a paper to mention limitations of its study but that does not invalidate a paper that uses it as a reference. At the end of the day its great you have an issue but its not enough for me to throw out common data from relatively reputable sources when I can’t find any more professional critiques and thats even assuming the paper you pulled out is source data for it which it may not be. You did successfully get me to go look at a lot of things again and I posted links so its not a total waste but look. Im pretty much done. You have not convinced me that articles are working with flawed data.

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            my goal was actually to get you to give me compelling data. I’m not quite sure how it ended up the other way around.

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              I mean in the mix I have the food conversion link and that data as I said is industry data so im not sure if that suffices. I think we just sorta went on a tangent with the one paper. Its the most straight forward anyway for the vegan vs meat reduction. vegan being 1/1 usage of plant matter and chicken 1/3, pork 1/6., beef 1/14. I mean that as averages and there is variability especialin in beef but even in chicken worse case to beef best case it wins out and average conversion your looking at four fold efficiency so bascially if you can get X number of people to be vegans getting 4X people to limit themselves to chicken should have the same effect and anything more is gravy. My point way back with militant vegans is they will harras the idea of reducing meat because everyone should become vegan but from my experience limiting meat intake to chicken and/or reducing meat in general is much more likely with folks and much more likely to get in large numbers so they are sorta working against themselves. I mean americans eat a rediculous amounts of beef. All meat really but mainly due to fast food a lot of beef. To give a real world example my wife and I are not vegan but we do eat mainly chicken and pork and now we will split a chicken breast between us in a typical dinner. Compared to what we ate two decades ago or I think even worse when we were young and unmarried and like a dozen of our current selves would have to go vegan to get the same effect. None of that is obviously and exact thing as im averaging and using a bit of guestimating but I hope the gist comes out.

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                vegan being 1/1 usage of plant matter and chicken 1/3, pork 1/6., beef 1/14

                assuming this is true, which I haven’t looked into the methodology, broadly speaking, we don’t feed animals plants and parts of plants that we want to eat. beef cattle graze most of their lives. soybeans are pressed for oil, and the byproduct is what is fed to livestock. sure, we grow alfalfa and feed corn, but I’m just not convinced it’s a bad use of resources: making food is good, and I don’t see anything wrong with eating beef or chicken or pork.

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                  ok so the link I have uses industry data. So take that for what you want but for the second part you don’t need a paper. The amazon rainforest was logged to create grazeland for cattle. Sure if the only cattle we ever raised were in areas that are natural grassland it would be a bit different but beef production really screwed the pooch there. Im very suspect of the mostly by product and not feed products given we grow a ton of feed. I have never seen any numbers to support most of their lives grazing. I have seen one year grazine and few years in the feed lot. More importantly you have to take into the weight difference from birth to feedlot and start of feedlot to end of feedlot. Im 100% that animals are inefficient as we do them now. as the same goes for chickens which become much better if they are basically just scavengers. There is absolutely no way the level of meat, cheese, and eggs could be supported on animals just eating and using land in a natural state though.

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                    There is absolutely no way the level of meat, cheese, and eggs could be supported on animals just eating and using land in a natural state though.

                    ok. whether I eat it though, or not, won’t change whether the industry grows or shrinks.

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                    I have seen one year grazine and few years in the feed lot.

                    it’s only a few months on a feedlot. beef cattle don’t usually live more than 18 months

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                    The amazon rainforest was logged to create grazeland for cattle.

                    this is bad. it doesn’t make eating beef bad.

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        here’s another

        LCA results can have high uncertainties because of the large amounts of measured and simulated data and the simplified modeling of complex en- vironmental cause-effect chains. Recent studies have highlighted the contribution that system as- sumptions and value choices can also make to overall uncertainty (36, 37). A number of quantita- tive uncertainty assessments are available (38) butare rarely used in practice. One of the key questions is, how much uncertainty is acceptable, depending on the application? In some cases, rough estimates of input values can be enough to identify supply- chain hotspots (39), but for other applications, such as product comparisons (37), the demands for more accurate values are higher. For some im- pact categories such as toxicity, very large differ- ences in inventory results are needed to statistically differentiate product systems, whereas for other categories, differences of a factor of two or less may be enough (40). LCA practitioners should al- ways attempt to manage the decision-maker’s expectations and clarify that LCA is not always a tool to provide a single answer, but rather one that permits comprehensive understanding of a problem and its possible solutions.

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        uh… I’m on my couch on mobile but I have a quote

        First, it is often cited that LCA results should not be compared (Desjardins et al., 2012; Foster et al., 2006; McAuliffe et al., 2016; Röös et al., 2013) due to variation in methodology choices, functional units, as well as temporal and regional differences2. Second, no single comprehensive review was identified that adequately covers the breadth of fresh foods available to consumers and caterers. As Helle et al. (2013, p.12643) state ‘data availability and quality remain primary obstacles in diet-level environmental impact assessment’, while Pulkkinen et al. (2015) calls for the creation of a database that communicates data quality, uncertainty and variability to reliably differentiate between the GWP of food types. Previous studies have compiled LCA data to compare different foods (e.g. Audsley et al., 2009; Berners-Lee et al., 2012; Bradbear and Friel, 2011; de Vries and de Boer, 2010; Foster et al., 2006; Nijdam et al., 2012; Sonesson et al., 2010; Roy et al., 2009). While these are useful attempts, the identified studies are inadequate in the coverage of fresh foods available. Environmental Product Declarations (EPDs) attempt to inform consumers of the environmental impacts (carbon, water and ecological footprint) of specific foods, however they also fall short in breadth of items covered at present. The most comprehensive attempt at carbon footprint labelling was performed by Tesco (2012), however failed to label key categories such as fresh fish, pork, lamb or beef before finishing in 2012 due to the scale of the labelling scheme and a lack of participation from other retailers (Head et al., 2013). Third, studies that do compare results may often present singular figures. Peters et al. (2010) and Röös et al. (2011) argue that a range of impacts should be reported from LCA’s to better represent the variety of environmental impacts, as opposed to a singular figure. Finally, there is a lack of synthesised open access LCA data in the public domain available to consumers to inform decision-making.