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People always call Linus Torvalds an asshole, but I’ve yet to see anything from him that didn’t make sense. And the fact that he eventually took community feedback and decided to take time off to deal with his anger issues is commendable.
Linus TT can go and fuck itself though.
I don’t follow youtube or youtuber drama but you cannot really retroactively change the details I wrote below.
He’s definitely a fuck your feelings type. No nonsense and sometimes harsh but like you said it’s almost always justified. I’ll take that over fake ass, greedy LTT Linus “oops I got caught so now I’ll apologize or try to hide it and then apologize” any day of the week.
LTT could have just said fuck you’re right my bad, every single time he gets caught fucking up.
Honey: yeah we really wanted to do but that NDA was nasty and have you seen their lawyers, sorry guys We have ousted sponsors before but it just didn’t make business sense in this case. 99% would have went “yeah we get you”
Billit labs: We did not mean to fuck these guys over, erm twice. We have (repurchase the prototype off who we sent it to or compensated them for the price of machining a new part too sufficiently high tolerance) and if they provide us with a another piece and exact instructions we’ll cover them in a future video gratis.
These things didn’t need to turn into PR disasters.
Only an asshole when talking about contributing to Linux from what I’ve seen
That may be, don’t think I’ve heard him talk about anything else. One of my favorite clips ever is his message to nvidia. Some things are worth being angry about. And because of his angry public reaction, I became aware of nvidia’s anti-FOSS efforts. So it’s not all bad imo.
You spend all your adult life nurturing a baby like the Linux kernel, a lot of it unpaid, and you’ll be a bit touchy about what goes into it too.
a lot of it unpaid
he gets paid, more than enough
Now he does. Originally he did not.
True.
Here’s a dataset of most of his rants from the LKML along with the “hate” rating of each.
https://github.com/corollari/linusrants?tab=readme-ov-file#linusrants
Telling someone they need to get their act together or you’ll ignore their shit is considered more hateful than asking for someone to be retroactively aborted?
Haha I was wondering the same. The hate score does not make sense
In my office it is
Linus is giving away home made guitar pedals to kernel contributors
https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/1/19/281
Nive guy
For an embarrassingly long time I thought they were the same person, and I wondered why anyone would look up to that tool, and call him a genius, when he couldn’t even benchmark an HDMI cable correctly (literally the only video of his I watched, and yes, I know that it wouldn’t have mattered even if he did do it properly).
Now that I know that its 2 separate assholes, I feel like LTT is even more of a tool who leans into the identity confusion on purpose for more internet clout.
He can be rude but that’s what working with people leads to.
EDIT: I apologize to everyone who has so far read this comment. I misunderstood what Linus Torvalds meant in the interview I mentioned. I thought he was just calling the Russian kernel contributors “Internet trolls”, be he was actually referring to Russian “troll farms” taking advantage of the controversy generated by how the Linux Foundation removed the Russian devs from kernel development without saying a word, to entice outrage and try to get the Foundation’s decision reversed. (afaik they had to do it because the US government ordered them to, and the foundation is hosted in the US.) I’m leaving the post in its original form for posterity.
I think the way Torvalds treated the Russian kernel maintainers that got silently removed from development (a situation that, by itself, was completely mishandled) was awful to say the least. In a interview, he said they were all Internet trolls, and referenced conflicts between Finland and Russia to “explain” his disdain for Russians. Say what you want, but I usually call a person that judges others based on their country of birth alone, an asshole. Not just that, but such behaviour sounds extremely ungrateful when we are talking about people who contributed in extremely important ways to Torvalds’ biggest project of his life. I used to have a positive view of Torvalds, but this kind of ruined it for me.He didn’t call the maintainers trolls.
In brief, the creator and lead developer of the Linux kernel stated that the dismissals were simply made in line with the policy of sanctions on the Russian aggressors in the Ukraine war.
Moreover, Torvalds didn’t pull any punches when he said “lots of Russian trolls” were working to make the recent decision look unpopular. Torvalds directly accused Russia of wielding its army of social media bots in an attempt to fake a grassroots campaign and reverse the Russian maintainer cull.
This tracks with other Russian social media efforts.
He did tho. I don’t know where and why you’ve pulled these quotes from, when the original message is available publicaly, and where it’s very clear whom exactly he accused.
In your own link he’s referring to the people decrying the decision as trolls, not the maintainers.
So I interpreted this interview the wrong way. This changes everything!
Thank you for letting me know that I was making a misinformed comment. I’m editing it as we speak.
No, thank you for holding yourself accountable.
but I’ve yet to see anything from him that didn’t make sense.
He supports tivoization.
“He doesn’t think he should fight it as a top priority” is not the same as “he supports it”.
I looked at the wiki page, but I’m still not sure why/how he supports that. Got a link I can read up on?
Edit: read some more and googled more and I don’t see him supporting it, rather it seems he takes issue with trying to dictate to hardware makers what they can do.
Torvalds is a C programmer who didn’t even consider himself accomplished until he made Git, long after Linux.
Sebastian is a warehouse manager who still thinks he’s better than everyone else because he worked at
NZXTNCIX lol.NCIX = NZXT?
I’m dumb, thank you
No they are different.
They are different, but to clarify, Linus Sebastian worked at NCIX (defunct computer parts / tech retailer), not NZXT (computer hardware manufacturer).
Luke’s Tech Tips
LTT needs Emily back in front of the camera to provide a proper Linux perspective.
Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-owBhLGaH4
People probably know Anthony. They are the same person.
I know people know “Anthony;” I was just uncertain of the appropriateness of mentioning that name.
Also, LOL at this comment on the video:
@jeffc3051 1 year ago
Oh thank god. I thought you were going to say you started using Windows.
I pretty much stopped watching after Emily stopped being on camera and unsubbed entirely after the harassment and overworking allegations came out.
And I’m not even a Linux person 99% of the time! I do run a home server, but my daily driver is windows. Emily was just one of the only people on the channel that not only seemed to know exactly what she was talking about, but also didn’t behave like a total tech dude bro the entire time
Emily left a couple months ago
Needed to search who Emily is. I was totally out of the loop.
Yeah she was the best.
Sorry about that. I don’t know the right way to reference a trans person who was famous under their former identity but not their real one.
Me neither, I think the best approach is to use the new identity always, if the person is interested they can search for it.
Linus Torvalds is still a Git
At least he wasn’t caught promoting a browser extension that turned out to be a huge scam that stole money from both regular people and other content creators trying to earn some affiliate revenue.
A lot of creators were tricked into that. The problematic part was that they realized the issue and completely went silent about the issue instead of raising awareness of the scam. Alerting about that fact would have been a great tech tip.
I think they were not aware of the scam that screwed over users at the time, only the one that screwed themselves over
Absolutely, that may be important. LTT were only aware of the extension screwing over the creators, not that the customers were also getting screwed.
They said they found out at around the same time as all the other creators, so breaking it into a video wouldn’t have mattered for anyone. The people they assumed were affected at the time already knew and were dropping the sponsorships.
Right, and we don’t know why anyone would choose to remain silent if they’re aware of the issue, unless they were paid to sign an NDA.
Hey, but he admits it!
He does tend to name things after himself doesn’t he?
Well he was about to name it freax or somethin and someone else named it linux iirc
The Linus from tech tips is such a sleazeball. If I knew him in person I would probably dislike him enough to walk on the opposite side of the street. Too bad he’s associated with Linux via the name.
Uhm aktchewally, its the GNU-Linus Tech Tip system, a complete free software advice and content engine
Linus Tech Tips is just one of many distros that run on the Linus Media Group kernal
free only as in beer, however
you speak of foss yet you use Google curious /s
Yes. I use Google because it gives me the best results of all the FOSS (but shitty) search engines I’ve tested. I won’t change the tools in my workflow until the replacements work the same or better.
C’mon man DDG ain’t that bad and Google search ain’t that good anyways
Well, I’m guessing OP had the same issue as me, where DDG just didn’t deliver any usable results when searching for more technical topics. Unfortunately, no search engine is really there yet. Google just does that one thing too well. I can ditch Google for most things I use, except for search and YouTube. Those two things it does so much better than its competitors. :(
Exactly! But some people won’t understand it anyway
What’s wrong with LTT?
I like LTT videos personally. They are always fun to watch even if they aren’t perfect.
https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
Here’s a quick roundup of some, but not all of the issues people have with LTT.
All these things listed are blunders (some quite big ones) but I think the person who responded to that comment with the opposing view makes a lot of sense. They added the nuance to the situation that the comment you linked to I think glasses over since they obviously don’t like Linus. Personally their (the response comments) take is where I stand on these issues too.
Obvious, as LTT has grown they have made mistakes but they have always explained their reasoning or otherwise apologised and tried to make things right.
Overall I think they are a force for good in the world. They teach millions about tech, how to use it, and how you can save money. As they become more corporate their passion may fade but I think it’s still there and I’ll probably keep watching their stuff for the time being
But you don’t understand. This is the Internet. You are either a saint or the anti-christ. There is nothing In-between and nuance is propaganda. And if you don’t agree with my currently held emotionally charged position, you are what’s wrong with (fill in the blank).
Unfortunately thats the problem with the world atm. No one cares for the facts, just what ever fits their narrative
My issue is he’s a large channel and their videos are consistently inaccurate. I’ve never watched a video of his on linux or android or android tv and couldn’t find numerous flaws. He is a huge channel with a lot of influence and he’s prioritized pumping out inaccurate videos instead of doing the due diligence and research. I feel with as large of a channel he has and as much influence he has, he has a responsibility. Instead he’s doing the tech community as a whole harm. Literally every video I’ve seen from him regarding linux or android was extremely inaccurate or missing beneficial information. I always wrote it off as he’s just a gamer bro and that’s more his niche but then the gamernexus video dropped and showed he was even getting that wrong. LTT has done more harm to the tech community on YouTube than any other channel.
The more recent context has to do with Linus personally, Rossman just did a video on it
they’re probably just mad that his Linux videos do a terrible job representing Linux.
I think they were mostly fine. Could be better but not terrible.
I watched his videos on Linux and tried using Ubuntu myself a little while back and tbh I kinda had a similar experience to him.
Being asked to restart fairly often and finding it difficult to instal more niche things with command line even if I could just copy paste stuff. I like the lack of Microsoft bullshit but the programs I used for uni and games weren’t compatible at the time.
That being said I tried about a year before steam deck became a thing and I got that a year+ ago and haven’t had too many issues like that (still some though). Looking forward to general steamos release cause I definitely want to try again
Yeah, I think most people that have 10 or more years experience with linux or unix or other forms think that it has gotten much easier to start out than when they did it, sure it was a struggle back then, but it’s been ten years and I have an easy time with all of it now, so it must be easier now. It may be a bit easier than it was 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, but it’s still very much not “accessible”. Even most steam deck users have a hard time with the very simple, presentable, accessible version that comes on that.
It’s easy to lose track of how hard something is when it hasn’t been for you in a long time. But linux is unfortunately still very inaccessible for the vast majority of people. It is constantly moving in the right direction, and generally worth getting through the hard part to make it to the other side, but you need motivation to do so, as it will fight back for a long time. But, windows and mac have it almost as bad. Neither one is quite as hard to transition to as linux, but there is still a decent barrier to switch between them. Once linux is around that same level of barrier, that’s when we can expect the numbers to come up notably.
Tbh I found steam os alright mostly cause devs making stuff for it have put work into making things GUI based. That being said, I did try install some other stuff to see what I could do and it got confusing so maybe cause I only game on it it’s fine 😅.
I have used windows for all my life but the main reason I want to try switch to Linux is cause windows has gone to shit. Literally one of the 3 largest companies in the world can’t make a file explorer that actually works correctly. Plus MS pushing their own services hard is just so annoying.
Ubuntu isnt very good, but a lot of people recommend it because it used to be good. use something else that has an Ubuntu base (for app availability). I would recommend tuxedo os for kde plasma and pop os for a gnome-like experience but a little better. a lot of people recommend mint but I wouldn’t, though the reason I wouldn’t doesn’t really matter to newer users. the most important thing to consider (assuming you’re choosing something with an Ubuntu base ther handles drivers normally) is what desktop environment you want. Ubuntu is a modified version of gnome. gnome is kind of like the computer equivalent of how phones work (in a good way). kde plasma is visually a lot like windows (pre 11)by default, but has enough customization that it can look however you want (mine is set up with a windows 10 style taskbar, tiling, and gnome-like handling of virtual desktops). pop shell (what pop os has) is a modified version of gnome that is kind of in between gnome and a conventional desktop, and they are working on something new called cosmic that is even better. remember you can always use a virtual machine to test without affecting your normal system.
edit: forgot to mention cinnamon (mint’s desktop). it looks pretty much just like windows 10 like kde, but it has less customization (on purpose). whether that matters or not is up to you.
The fact that you can apparently install the “wrong OS” isn’t making it easier for first time Linux users.
Especially if that “wrong OS” is a popular OS.
I never said it was the “wrong OS”, I’m just saying that it isn’t very good as opposed to other distros. I also went on to explain exactly why I say that and that the best distro is the one you like the most that works for your use case.
You don’t, but plenty of Linux users says it’s the wrong OS. In fact, I’ve seen plenty that says you shouldn’t choose many of the most popular distros such as Linux Mint and Pop_OS. It always makes me wonder if these people aren’t just trying to sabotage Linux desktop adoption among newbies by making it more confusing than it needs to be. Just say the pros and cons of such and such distro and just let people make their own choice instead of trying to push their favourite distro over more popular ones.
firstly, I clarified that I wasn’t saying it was bad. second, what other people say independent of me is irrelevant to what I said. third, I explained what the problem was that was making me say that about ubuntu in detail, cited the people saying there is a ‘wrong’ distro as a reason for doing that, and explicitly said (twice in this thread) that the only relevant things in how good a distro is are whether you like it and whether it works for you.
I’m definitely gonna come back to this when I try Linux again sometime this year when I have a moment to mess around!
Probably a dumb question but why is Ubuntu bad?
It’s not ‘bad’ necessarily, but it makes a lot of controversial decisions such as it’s use of snap packages over flatpak. these decisions are harmful to the linux community as a whole and to the experience of using ubuntu, so it’s best to avoid supporting it.
for some context on the snap thing, basically different distros use different packaging formats (.deb, .rpm, etc.) which makes it hard to distribute software. also, each individual system is set up differently and has different packages which can make fixing bugs difficult, especially for developers who aren’t very familiar with linux. to solve this, flatpak is distro-agnostic (runs on any linux) and puts the app in the same environment on every system. it’s also sandboxed, which basically means each app is in it’s own little box and it can only see/interact with things it has permission to. snap does most of that as well, but unlike flatpak it is completely controlled by a single entity (canonical, company behind ubuntu) and it means that instead of one sandboxed thing for every distro we have two, which solves nothing. there are some other issues as well, but currently the issue of snap packages is the biggest one most people have with ubuntu.
for more information on all this, I would recommend The Linux Expirement on youtube. not by any means the only good linux channel, but my favorite. also, please ignore the tribalism. people will act like there is a best distro, there is not. people will act like a distro is useless because it doesn’t have some random tool that most don’t, it is not. if you like the distro and it works for you the it’s the best one because your use case is all that matters on your computer.
Thanks for the explanation! Makes sense why people don’t like it now
No problem, I try to explain that pretty well when people ask because it’s something that there’s a lot of misleading info about because of the tribalism.
Ubuntu has gone to shit, use Mint instead
I see this a lot but I always wonder why is it bad? Didn’t seem that bad when I tried it
snaps forced down your throat, stability issues, lots of bad decisions in the past (unity, ads in menu or terminal)
none of that is in mint
Long story short, he’s an ignorant asshole. Sorry I don’t have enough time atm to list all the detaills lol. Gamer Nexus recently made another post about him and his company which was also going around on lemmy.
Edit: someone else made a good summary https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
Gamers nexus was easily proven wrong too. Trusting gamers nexus on anything these days is just gonna make you look bad. Steve has clearly no problem with attacking LTT no matter what he has to make up in order to do so. LTT aren’t saints, but they aren’t making up shit in order to attack other creators. It’s just not possible to trust GN to be proper journalists anymore.
When was GN proven wrong and did they at least admit they where wrong? Everybody gets things wrong, it’s how often you’re wrong and how you handle being wrong that matters.
The whole copper heatsink thing? Like literally all of it (like everything from that video, not just the heatsink) was immediately debunked and Steve did and said nothing to take back his comments. If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
Steve doubled down because he was sent the entire email exchange from the heatsink company and posted it as proof.
And he once again didn’t bother to actually do any journalism and so turned out completely wrong. Why would you trust someone like that, that has shown time and time again they can’t actually do the one thing they claim their job is?
A lawsuit would be needed to force LTT’s email provider to give their emails to a court.
The entire email exchange provided wasn’t disputed by LTT. LTT only said in response, they gave us permission when the time stamps on the emails proved their original claims were false.
Idk his article had all the screenshots to prove the points from what I can see so I would rather take his word than someone who doesn’t mind harassment in their workplace.
Edit: found the article https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
Tbh, whether GN is right or not I do find his reporting practices kinda wack. Not asking for comment before a video is put out is disengenuous even if the response. Regardless of what a response to that would be I think it’s fair to ask for comment at least
Previously they did reach out privately (like when LTT plagiarised GN) but after Linus said something negative about GN publicly unwarranted, they had a fallout and everything is done publicly now. Seems fair to me and he always reaches out to other companies first before making a report from what I can see. I don’t remember what the drama was about but something to do with testing a product when LTT made a mistake and got too defensive when they got called out.
Edit: found a comment explaining that with bit more detail https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
It is a little sus that Gamers Nexus didn’t make a statement.
Statement about?
A lot of there claims were more like white lies. At one point they were sharing real concerns but now there channel is more about throwing people under the bus.
His last article is as clear as it can be and it was a response, Linus started it. I am not sure what you are taking about, give some examples.
The work load stuff they seem to have improved (from what I can tell) but the result of the sexual harassment investigation they had been carried out is unknown to the public as far as I know (I assume by now it’s concluded). Not sure we’ll ever know what really happened cause that sort of info probably won’t become public.
Given there are other women what continue to work there (I implore them to speak up if they feel the same) hopefully it was just an isolated incident and whoever was responsible was fired.
It isn’t possible to know what is going on. Also I don’t think it is appropriate for Linus to share private information with the public. Any workplace misconduct should not become a public issue.
the result of the sexual harassment investigation they had been carried out is unknown to the public as far as I know (I assume by now it’s concluded).
I don’t remember where it was posted - maybe a community note on YouTube - but they basically said that the third party investigation they had done concluded that the accusations were unfounded.
LTT is a joke, but that’s why it’s interesting to watch.
From what I’ve discerned, the fame; internet clout; and money got to their heads to the point they drifted from mostly impartial and helpful information to a more biased perspective, with which benefits their sponsors more than their viewers or the community as a whole.
Tbh, I don’t think I agree. The only times I feel they can’t really be impartial “even if they say they are” is when they use a sponsors parts to build something. Or otherwise the whole video is sponsored but they kinda are reviewing the fevice. I don’t really like those videos but they are very clear about the fact that it is sponsored so viewers can at least down some salt whilst they watch the video. They also do state some issues they have with the products when they arise which is good (though obviously they may not say everything that’s wrong with it)
Honestly I didn’t really care about the allegations until Steve Burke alleged that Linus told him he’s “less autistic then he used to be”. Its also annoying how he clearly has a superiority complex.
Only 3 reasons to watch their type of vids, preview/review of shiny new tech product, technical expertise or entertaining hosts.
But these days, other channels have the same access to new products, they are definitely not experts in the subjects they cover, and I find all the hosts pretty dull.
Do they still have 3 sponsors per video?
They’re a bunch of Windows power-user clowns cosplaying as tech experts.
juicy new controversy with ltt?
Steve called out LTT for knowing about the Honey marketing scam but not saying anything because it would harm his business (This isn’t speculation. Linus said it publicly.) LTT called for peace with Gamer’s Nexus using the veiled threat that Gamer’s Nexus comments are causing material harm to his business.
Steve responded by posting an old text exchange he had with Linus regarding a LTT Wan show that copied a Gamer’s Nexus video without even mentioning they they were using Gamer’s Nexus script (almost identical in topic order, format and words) for their show. If Steve was a serious business instead of a fan running a channel as a business, that’s where lawyers would have been brought in to sue LTT. Instead Steve only asked for acknowledgment- which Linus never gave.
The part about honey is a complete misread of the facts. There were posts on the LTT forum about honey scamming creators, and Linus himself said that within the creator community he thought the news got around enough to not warrant a video about it.
So many linux people have a hate boner for the guy because he’s got a prickly personality and makes videos for the unwashed masses, but he still has integrity.
but he still has integrity.
Ok you lost me there. No.
Could be mistaken, but supposedly Linus knew about the part where Honey was screwing over affiliates (like himself), and claims that was public-enough knowledge in the creator community at the time that he didn’t feel compelled to say more, not the part where Honey was screwing over customers, too. Also, didn’t he credit Steve via a pinned comment to that video?
In the pinned comment he basically said “Thanks Steve”, which isn’t helpful as most people wouldn’t know who this Steve person would be
almost identical in topic order, format and words
Apparently, that specific conversation was in Mandarin, and Steve was the only member of the media present who spoke Mandarin. I’m pretty sure that appending a simple “thank you Steve from Gamers Nexus for translating” would’ve been sufficient, especially since Linus wants to look like they’re such good buddies.
akchually one might lead to the other
You sound like a member of the FSF
That would be having the haunted house on both sides
Um, ackshually its GNU/House
As in it’s lowkey crumbling, but that also allows you to tear through it to see how it’s made and make your own, modeled after it? Well, I’d just recently taken to calling it GNU + House
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Fake news but yeah keep spreading false info