She seems like a good person who was misled by Trump if she has a moral compass like that.
Remember, a lot of those people were there because they were told that democracy was being undermined and the election was fraudulent. If that were actually the case, they might have been justified. But they only listed to the “facts” given by Trump instead of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It seems being sat down in court and shown the facts changed her mind. Which is not something you expect from someone in the MAGA cult.
Which is not something you expect from someone in the MAGA cult.
Agreed up to here.
Tons, if not most, Trump voters are just in a toxic information environment, and would not support him if (for instance) they were sat down in a court and showed facts.
It basically boils down to, “if they had had entirely different experiences and had learned different things then they wouldn’t be like this! We just need to change everything about them!”
Most of them are lost. I have given up because they simply do not want to be good people. They are not looking to make the MORAL choice. They want to win.
That’s it. They would even take us just losing more than they do.
Rupert Murdoch and Sinclair Broadcast Group won the propaganda game. Trump is a useful tool for them, he gives them operational control over tax, budget and regulatory policy. Murdoch has been laying ground for this since the Reagan administration.
I’ve asked many of these people point blank about policies relating to gender, minorities, and many other black and white topics, and 100% of the time they roll with the bigoted preference.
I have no doubt that most of them are victims of propaganda and echo chambers, but I feel most already had deep ingrained views that they are now comfortable sharing because their hateful rhetoric has been wildly accepted. I do acknowledge that for a good chunk of those people, they were raised in that environment and never left, so it’s more difficult to completely trash them, but in the digital environment where information spreads and the side of electricity, it tough to excuse any bigotry.
I do think if most of them were forced to think critically and explain their views, that they wouldn’t actually support Trump, but critical thinking is kind of the problem.
Or she is such a deep delusional abyss that she prefers staying in prison (my ignorance for not reading the story first) … keeping her charges and becoming a martyr for her movement.
So you crossed out the part about her staying in prison but didn’t bother to re-evaluate the rest of your comment when she denounced Trump and everyone who stormed the Capitol multiple times?
Hey, that’s okay. It takes strength to recognize, own up to, and grow from it; that’s all you can really ask after the fact. Fuck knows I’ve read like a paragraph of an article before and gotten majorly called out.
I’m usually not that bad but I think I had way too much coffee this morning and I just finished a fantastically rich sugar loaded hot chocolate for myself and my wife … heavy cream mixed with 3% milk, two types of hot chocolate mix, bit of maple syrup, melted bits of chocolate cake frosting, crumbled homemade chocolate cake pieces, frothed cream and all served with homemade chocolate cake … I was on a sugar high and just commenting like a madman. Now I feel stupid and I want to go lie down.
She seems like a good person who was misled by Trump if she has a moral compass like that.
Remember, a lot of those people were there because they were told that democracy was being undermined and the election was fraudulent. If that were actually the case, they might have been justified. But they only listed to the “facts” given by Trump instead of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It seems being sat down in court and shown the facts changed her mind. Which is not something you expect from someone in the MAGA cult.
Agreed up to here.
Tons, if not most, Trump voters are just in a toxic information environment, and would not support him if (for instance) they were sat down in a court and showed facts.
But Trump won the propaganda game.
It basically boils down to, “if they had had entirely different experiences and had learned different things then they wouldn’t be like this! We just need to change everything about them!”
Most of them are lost. I have given up because they simply do not want to be good people. They are not looking to make the MORAL choice. They want to win.
That’s it. They would even take us just losing more than they do.
I will ensure they lose FAR more.
This is wishful thinking, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Rupert Murdoch and Sinclair Broadcast Group won the propaganda game. Trump is a useful tool for them, he gives them operational control over tax, budget and regulatory policy. Murdoch has been laying ground for this since the Reagan administration.
I’ve asked many of these people point blank about policies relating to gender, minorities, and many other black and white topics, and 100% of the time they roll with the bigoted preference.
I have no doubt that most of them are victims of propaganda and echo chambers, but I feel most already had deep ingrained views that they are now comfortable sharing because their hateful rhetoric has been wildly accepted. I do acknowledge that for a good chunk of those people, they were raised in that environment and never left, so it’s more difficult to completely trash them, but in the digital environment where information spreads and the side of electricity, it tough to excuse any bigotry.
I do think if most of them were forced to think critically and explain their views, that they wouldn’t actually support Trump, but critical thinking is kind of the problem.
Or she is such a deep delusional abyss that she prefers
staying in prison(my ignorance for not reading the story first) … keeping her charges and becoming a martyr for her movement.So you crossed out the part about her staying in prison but didn’t bother to re-evaluate the rest of your comment when she denounced Trump and everyone who stormed the Capitol multiple times?
Thanks for calling me out … I’ll own up to my stupidity and remember to read the content before commenting in the future.
Hey, that’s okay. It takes strength to recognize, own up to, and grow from it; that’s all you can really ask after the fact. Fuck knows I’ve read like a paragraph of an article before and gotten majorly called out.
I’m usually not that bad but I think I had way too much coffee this morning and I just finished a fantastically rich sugar loaded hot chocolate for myself and my wife … heavy cream mixed with 3% milk, two types of hot chocolate mix, bit of maple syrup, melted bits of chocolate cake frosting, crumbled homemade chocolate cake pieces, frothed cream and all served with homemade chocolate cake … I was on a sugar high and just commenting like a madman. Now I feel stupid and I want to go lie down.