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    22 hours ago

    Props to her for becoming a better person then she was before. Takes guts to take that stance, I’d say

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    22 hours ago

    She seems like a good person who was misled by Trump if she has a moral compass like that.

    Remember, a lot of those people were there because they were told that democracy was being undermined and the election was fraudulent. If that were actually the case, they might have been justified. But they only listed to the “facts” given by Trump instead of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It seems being sat down in court and shown the facts changed her mind. Which is not something you expect from someone in the MAGA cult.

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      Which is not something you expect from someone in the MAGA cult.

      Agreed up to here.

      Tons, if not most, Trump voters are just in a toxic information environment, and would not support him if (for instance) they were sat down in a court and showed facts.

      But Trump won the propaganda game.

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        It basically boils down to, “if they had had entirely different experiences and had learned different things then they wouldn’t be like this! We just need to change everything about them!”

        Most of them are lost. I have given up because they simply do not want to be good people. They are not looking to make the MORAL choice. They want to win.

        That’s it. They would even take us just losing more than they do.

        I will ensure they lose FAR more.

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        But Trump won the propaganda game.

        Rupert Murdoch and Sinclair Broadcast Group won the propaganda game. Trump is a useful tool for them, he gives them operational control over tax, budget and regulatory policy. Murdoch has been laying ground for this since the Reagan administration.

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        I’ve asked many of these people point blank about policies relating to gender, minorities, and many other black and white topics, and 100% of the time they roll with the bigoted preference.

        I have no doubt that most of them are victims of propaganda and echo chambers, but I feel most already had deep ingrained views that they are now comfortable sharing because their hateful rhetoric has been wildly accepted. I do acknowledge that for a good chunk of those people, they were raised in that environment and never left, so it’s more difficult to completely trash them, but in the digital environment where information spreads and the side of electricity, it tough to excuse any bigotry.

        I do think if most of them were forced to think critically and explain their views, that they wouldn’t actually support Trump, but critical thinking is kind of the problem.

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      21 hours ago

      Or she is such a deep delusional abyss that she prefers staying in prison (my ignorance for not reading the story first) … keeping her charges and becoming a martyr for her movement.

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        So you crossed out the part about her staying in prison but didn’t bother to re-evaluate the rest of your comment when she denounced Trump and everyone who stormed the Capitol multiple times?

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          21 hours ago

          Thanks for calling me out … I’ll own up to my stupidity and remember to read the content before commenting in the future.

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            21 hours ago

            Hey, that’s okay. It takes strength to recognize, own up to, and grow from it; that’s all you can really ask after the fact. Fuck knows I’ve read like a paragraph of an article before and gotten majorly called out.

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              I’m usually not that bad but I think I had way too much coffee this morning and I just finished a fantastically rich sugar loaded hot chocolate for myself and my wife … heavy cream mixed with 3% milk, two types of hot chocolate mix, bit of maple syrup, melted bits of chocolate cake frosting, crumbled homemade chocolate cake pieces, frothed cream and all served with homemade chocolate cake … I was on a sugar high and just commenting like a madman. Now I feel stupid and I want to go lie down.

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    22 hours ago

    Genuine respect for her. I bet it’s hard to learn from your mistakes and actually reform yourself…

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    Good on her. That said, wasn’t she sentenced in 2022 to 60 days in prison with 36 months of probation.

    Isn’t this pardon kind of irrelevant to her? She been out for a while, and I imagine it’s pretty easy to decline the pardon.

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    its just not right what trump is doing with these jan 6 pardons hes just gonna let all those people off scot free and you know who gets screwed people like me who actually did their time i should be compensated financially

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        and i had to earn my freedom the hard way while others get a free pass just because i posted about it on facebook and got arrested the day after but other people who didnt do their time yet get to just walk free well i say thats not fair

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          I’ll keep this civil. NO. ONE. CARES. You deserve ALL the consequences that came from your involvement. You should be happy that you didn’t get the Rosenburg treatment even though every Jan. 6 Terrorist deserved it.

          I’ll leave this here:

          Penalty: Under U.S. Code Title 18, the penalty is death, or not less than five years’ imprisonment (with a minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death). Any person convicted of treason against the United States also forfeits the right to hold public office in the United States.

          Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States

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          1. Thank you for making it easy for LE to snatch your ass up. I hope you experienced the absolute worst of the justice system, even though I know you were treated with kid gloves.

          2. Not only should you NEVER be compensated for anything, you should be paying restitution and feel shame for the rest of your life.

          How fucking dare you say anything “isn’t fair” after what you’ve done. I feel shame for having served my country knowing it was for people like you.

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            i BARELY got snacks between meals it was AWFUL so dont you tell me what i deserve or assume what ive been through because no one should have to experience what i did except adulterers probably and maybe other badguys

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          That’s not fair but you should look the other way round. You did your time and learned the lesson. Others were pardoned by a fellow felon.

          Fight not to be on their level (be compensated) but fight for them to be at your level (doing the time and learning the lesson) by voting and making your voice being heard.

          Only this way we can have a more just world.

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            we should abolish prisons to avoid this injustice altogether but only after everyone else serves the same time i did to make it fair