And just like that, conservatism was outlawed.
Cool beans!
conservatismConsevationism, there’s so many other aspects of conservativism than conservationism, the capitalists/right wingers aren’t going to hurt themselves by outlawing all of conservativism.
Conservativism also touches on race, religion, economics, and others that are unique or spawned by the main tenets of conservativism.
Conservationism is not in any way a part of modern conservatism. Conservatives hate everything about conservation of nature.
Conservative != conservationist.
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NVM, I see what you meant.
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Is the Saudi royal family’s emissions offset by planting 10 billion trees?
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No, carbon offsetting doesnt work. Only actual emission reduction
The least educated take on carbon offsetting.
Did you know that US EPA considers forestry management as an emissions sink?
Of course they think that, because the EPA will do whatever it can to pad it’s emissions ratings for the Paris Climate Accord. Carbon offsetting does not work, due to wildfire and insect risk.
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/08/02/climate-change-carbon-offset-oregon/
Carbon offset isn’t real.
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All the rich would be arrested
No, they’d be able to afford the best lawyers. It’s the poor who would be punished the most. We already have fines for not recycling properly, even though the rubbish all gets mixed back together in Turkey or China and burned anyway. We have to use soggy paper straws with our drinks while the rich blanket the atmosphere in burned fuel from the private jets.
Thats a true revolutionary cry. But since being “rich” is quite a relative term, you might wake up in the realization that most of the world considers you rich and your lifestyle complicit in the mass destruction of the global environment.
That’s quite the stretch. Don’t regulate the rich cause we might be caught up?
I don’t take private flights from one side of a city to another. I don’t own a yacht (or 6). I don’t own a fleet of vehicles with a staff that drives them around. I don’t throw away more food than most people eat. I don’t horde dozens of acres of land that contain nothing but wasteful lawn.
There’s a pretty stark contrast between the ultra wealthy, and the vast majority of people living in highly developed countries.
When people get in a rage about “the rich”, those kinds of distinctions generally go out the window.
You’re not wrong, but it’s not likely that a bunch of moneyless people from third-world countries are going to come over and genocide us.
Said the bronze age prior to the arrival of the sea people
The “sea people” weren’t a bunch of starving refugees, they were well-supplied and organized military invasion forces, but sure.
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This is a form of slippery slope fallacy. Rich in this context refers to portion of society contributing to pollution on a massively higher scale than even an upper middle class American. How many ‘rich’ Americans regularly fly private jets or take yachts? How many average joes own and operate a cruise line or a refinery?
I think with regards to poorer people in other countries, they’d be on the same page with 99.99% of Americans about who’s considered so rich that they alone pose a threat to global health.
No, we would just abolish corporations
They should but never will, Laws don’t apply for rich people and even if, jail would BE to good for them
Not like we punish war criminals that strictly either…
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This. Everything looks so tasty on paper tho!
Yeahhhh I don’t wanna shit on anyone’s day but this is entirely unenforceable.
I love the idea but wonder how it would be handled for things like oil spills in the international waters space. Those are more more often accidental versus the types of just bad practice things like forrest destruction or such. Take that along with the notion of it being in international space would make even deciding jurisdiction a mess.
I think those responsible should be fined the same as you or I would be for dumping used motor oil down a storm drain.
By the quart.
Jurisdiction would be based on nationality of the business, just like it is now for other crimes. You can’t just commit a crime in international waters and go home scot-free.
Same way we would handle a vehicle accident that kills people, I assume.
Looks like the non-profit founded by Higgins and Mehta is active in promoting this law on a worldwide scale, with ongoing legislative efforts in Spain, Finland, and Brazil. Here’s their action page to get involved and offer support.
I think we need to address this not just at individuals or corporations, but at nation states in which those individuals reside and are licensed.
We need to kick them in the wallet. Allowing rampant pollution? Extra trade tariffs, and exclusion from various international groups/events. Complicit in rampant pollution? Punitive economic Sanctions, and loss of access to certain technologies, financial networks, etc.Trade tariffs hurt both countries and now is not really the time to be shooting your economy in the foot.
Targeted sanctions would be referable but are a much more serious form of leverage and will damage credibility.
“On oil and gas companies who have spent decades burning fossil fuels - ramping up the world’s carbon emissions - Mehta said the law couldn’t go back in time and punish past activities.”
Since we gave people the death penalty at the Nuremberg trials ex post facto, we can do the same with anthropogenic climate change. I would support such death penalties now already, tho I suspect more than a hundred million people would have to die directly from unambiguous climate change events within a short period like a week, before more people would agree. The problem is that the climate-change tipping-points will cascade, which means that the 1st one may cause other tipping points to be triggered, at which point billions of people will die unnecessarily in a Mad Max world.
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It’s self defense. We have to get things under control before greed kills us all
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not really, civilization for a long time was perfectly fine living alongside nature. this problem is only really become a thing since the later industrial revolution
That’s bollocks. Humans have been clear-cutting land, burning fields and forests to enable agriculture, and hunting species to extinction since we came down from the trees, to say nothing of shitting in every body of water we lived near. The industrial revolution only made it tip the scales into an existential threat to our continued way of life.
Burning fields and forests is called back burning . It’s a practice that is saving the forest. If you don’t, the burning forests gets out of hand and all is lost. Just ask Australia circa 2019 when the PM refused to do the needed.
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I wasn’t responding to the clear cutting. I was responding to the burning. I don’t know what you’re on about but way to mangle a topic.
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Yea, I said backburning. Glad we finally agreed what words mean now.
TIL deforestation of the Amazon is good for the Amazon.
Calm down. you either clearly cannot understand the differences or refuse to understand the differences of back burning and deforestation. And until you do you should stop speaking on the subject of ‘what is good for the world’ cuz clearly you are doing it in a very bad actor/sensationalist way.
burning fields and forests is called back burning
Not always. Sometimes it’s deforestation. Most often throughout human history, it’s been deforestation
You’re talking nonsense man
I said backburning. I didn’t stutter.
Yeah m8, you tell him wot
Make it retroactive.
That’ll be the same Scotland with a shitload of oil rigs off the coast, would it?
Are the rigs purely Scottish, idk how the UK works
Punishing individuals over corporations has me concerned. I don’t think that’s a good idea
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