Yes?
That’s what I meant.
And it became much worse after the justification of enlightened “reason”.
The Protestant Reformation is an odd case in that while Martin Luther may have been misogynist, it succeeded because there were a number of very strong female leaderships (specially his wife). These women were only pushed to the sidelines when the cultural Enlightenment pushed the church into a congealed orthodoxy.
? I claimed it was worse. Enlightenment made it a little better (women with property could vote), then religious reactionaries took it back temporarily.
I think it is self evident that most Christians have moved away from following the Bible as a moral code unlike the medieval Saints and founders of Protestism. For example the Bible explicitly prohibits women politicians and professors.
What I know is that in medieval times gender roles were much more flexible and “undefined”, and it was Enlightenment that pushed for strict categorization and definition of these things.
If you are thinking about that letter from Paul, I won’t claim to know for sure, but it might have been a prohibition in a specific situation, as it’s a personal letter, and in another Paul highly praises many female leaderships in church.
I’m no biblical scholar but it isn’t just Paul. Here are some quotes:
“Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.” 1 Corinthians 14:34
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” 1 Timothy 2:12
“For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,” 1 Peter 3:5
“To the woman he said, ‘I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.’” Genesis 3:16
“Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.” Isaiah 3:12
Martin Luther was very into mysogeny.
https://margmowczko.com/misogynist-quotes-from-church-fathers/
Before that, medieval Saints like Augustine wrote against women.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/23/medieval-christian-misogyny-shapes-how-we-judge-women-today-says-scholar#:~:text=Many “very influential” writers of,respectable” women who did not.
Yes?
That’s what I meant.
And it became much worse after the justification of enlightened “reason”.
The Protestant Reformation is an odd case in that while Martin Luther may have been misogynist, it succeeded because there were a number of very strong female leaderships (specially his wife). These women were only pushed to the sidelines when the cultural Enlightenment pushed the church into a congealed orthodoxy.
? I claimed it was worse. Enlightenment made it a little better (women with property could vote), then religious reactionaries took it back temporarily.
I think it is self evident that most Christians have moved away from following the Bible as a moral code unlike the medieval Saints and founders of Protestism. For example the Bible explicitly prohibits women politicians and professors.
What I know is that in medieval times gender roles were much more flexible and “undefined”, and it was Enlightenment that pushed for strict categorization and definition of these things.
If you are thinking about that letter from Paul, I won’t claim to know for sure, but it might have been a prohibition in a specific situation, as it’s a personal letter, and in another Paul highly praises many female leaderships in church.
That doesn’t match any scholarship I’ve read. Medieval Europe was a patriarchy in the classic sense. Woman were second class citizens.
https://thescholarship.ecu.edu/items/f84ef457-a230-4ba8-bddb-72a5982d5af2#:~:text=The Middle Ages is often,%2C fight%2C and work).
I’m no biblical scholar but it isn’t just Paul. Here are some quotes:
“Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.” 1 Corinthians 14:34
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” 1 Timothy 2:12
“For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,” 1 Peter 3:5
“To the woman he said, ‘I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.’” Genesis 3:16
“Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.” Isaiah 3:12