• Dave@lemmy.nz
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    In NZ it’s roughly $2.50NZD per litre minimum, or $5.31USD per gallon. This is roughly 50% tax (it’s how we pay for roads, plus is subject to sales tax), so a bit over $2USD per gallon at the moment excluding tax.

    Is it really $3 a gallon plus tax in the US right now?

    I compare it to how I thought mobile phone calls in the US were super cheap, then found out people pay to receive calls, which was super weird to me. Where I live, my whole life it has never been the case that a normal residential connection would pay to receive a call, mobile or not.

    Differences in how we do things make differences appear more than they are.

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      It’s $3/gal total including taxes here in Illinois right now.

      I was in California last week and it was $4.50/gam total

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        Taxes throw things out because everyone does it different. What are the sans-tax prices?

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          I don’t know if anyone can really get you that number, because the tax isn’t clearly disclosed when you buy gasoline, it’s just included in the price; the taxes also vary widely between different states/counties/maybe cities too?

          Edit: the federal tax is $0.184 per gallon

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            I can, Spain only has federal tax and it’s 21% for anything premium like gasoline.

            1.63€ per litre with taxes.
            So 6.169€ per gallon with taxes.
            Or 6.29$ per gallon post tax.
            Or 5.2$ per gallon without tax.

            Literally more than double their price, and they complain so hard LMAO.

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            Huh, the US gets another layer more confusing. Tax is included in gas prices but not in anything else? How do the arguments for not including that tax in the price stack up when gas stations are already including it?

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              Tradition.

              Gas prices are also the only retail prices that include tenths of a penny - specifically 9/10, as in all gas prices look like $x.xx9 such as $3.059

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              Even more annoying, the gas price really has 99/100ths tacked on, so the price is a cent more expensive because no one thinks of it.

              Ie: $3/gal is really charged as $3.0099/gal

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                Yeah we have that here too. And 3-4x the impact because of measuring in litres not gallons.

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            Ok apparently Illinois has a 39c per gallon gasoline tax, another 18c in federal, and another 6% or so on state sales tax, plus any regional sales tax. It’s unclear whether the sales tax applies to the gasoline tax (in NZ it does), but let’s assume it doesn’t. Then that’s $3 - 0.39 - 0.18 = $2.43 then remove 6% tax is 2.43/106*100 = $2.29

            We can probably knock a bit more off because there is probably some regional/city sales tax but it should be the right ballpark.

            It does seem we pay about the same for petrol, though from what I’ve been searching up, this is wildly different across states because states have much different ways of paying for roads (e.g. Hawai’i is mostly taxed at the pump where as Alaska has big taxes on oil extraction to keep taxes for residents low, including for roading).

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              Sales tax is either included already or not charged.

              The posted price is the posted price, no additional taxes on top of it.

              Although they add 99/100ths to the price, so $3.00/gal is really charged at $3.0099/gal.

              Of course this gets rounded up 😒