• greenskye@lemm.ee
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    It’s never that I think they aren’t evil enough, I just don’t trust conspiracies that require too much competency. I think most of them are too dumb and uncoordinated to pull off most of the conspiracies I hear about.

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      If you’ve ever tried to coordinate more than 50 people to do a thing, you quickly realize why people refer to management and leadership jobs as “herding cats.”

      If someone gave me the option of faking the moon landing or going to the moon, I’d gladly strap a submarine to a missile.

      It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.

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        I think there’s a danger in underestimating a government’s ability to keep a secret especially when they have the power to kill you and your family if you break it. While we shouldn’t overestimate the conspiracies they conduct (i.e. the world isn’t flat, we did land on the moon, vaccines don’t cause autism). I think it’s reasonable to suspect that your government is keeping some important information out of the public eye. Oft for the reason of “national security” aka, it would be embarrassing to us if this leaked.

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          It’s not the size of the organization, it’s the size of the team with a particular piece of information, and the monetary or moral pressure to release a particular piece of information.

          Also, the NSA famously has had leakers. The biggest and most notable being Snowden in 2013.

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            A dozen leakers from a secret police that has employed hundreds of thousands, across decades, is not the example you think it is.

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        It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.

        Yes you can. The Manhattan Project was the blueprint for this.

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          “Half a century” is the big challenge in that sentence. The Manhattan project started in 42 and Japan was bombed in 45.

          They also had near slips with the press and foreign espionage happening within the project. That would’ve been real tough to keep secret from the public for decades.

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            The challenges can be overcome with sufficient money. If the secret keepers are convinced they are keeping quiet for the public good then there is very little resistance.

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      Yeah, especially the COVID conspiracies are mostly brain dead stuff

      The whole world pretty much stopped, which helps absolutely no one, but somehow those guys think, that a dark force is trying to kill the economy for…profit?

      Also all the scientists and doctors are together in bed and just want people to stay indoors, because… I have absolutely no clue

      It just didn’t make sense from the start.

      Although I do get scepticism against new vaccine methods, but when someone tries to “explain” to me, that mRNA somehow overwrites my DNA and I should drink bleach instead…I usually don’t even know where to start to correct them

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        I mean, if the dark forces were billionaires and you look at their wealth growth explosion since the pandemic…someone could be forgiven for thinking there was a conspiracy there. Means and motive, alongside a sociopathic disregard for the common person…

        You should advise them to drink bleach and prove its efficacy. For science.

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          Buy, when there is blood on street - or something like that was the saying
          So obviously, people with money can exploit times, when everyone loses money/has no income and gets desperate

          But triggering a global epidemic, would be more than overkill - imho, maybe in the heads of billionaires it makes sense

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        especially the COVID conspiracies

        • Lab leak initially labelled as a conspiracy theory.

        • Darpa proposal to perform GoF research on coronaviruses.

        • Airborne transmission actually true.

        • Vaccine doesn’t stop transmission

        • Natural Immunity providing superior protection (no science supporting vaccine mandates for recovered patients).

        • Event 201 plan followed to the letter.

        • Government sponsored censoring of social media

        • Vaccine nanoparticles

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          The only one you sourced doesn’t say anything about what you claim. I’m not denying that there are some questions here that need answering but most of this is just bullshit.

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            “A pharmacist saw several black particles in one vial of the vaccine”

            I included that source because people usually deny it happened. All of the others are also true, but I’m not going to spend hours feeding the sealions. As a gesture of good faith I’ll provide a source for one more of your choosing.

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            Half of those are not even conspiracies, nor even controversial.

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      Yeah. Conspiracies feed a need to believe that there’s some easy reason why things are fucked. In reality… things are fucked for a great many reasons, and ‘evil people in power’ is middle of the pack, at best.