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I mean, the only way for Putin to politically survive a retreat is to convince Russians that this catastrophic failure was actually a huge success, and their sons didn’t die for nothing.
Seing them push a narrative that they have already achieved what they came there for is therefore kind of uplifting. If the Russians could leave Ukraine without losing face they would have done it months ago, and this seems to be the beginning of the effort to create such an opening.
Of course nobody in the West is going to buy it (well, almost nobody, without pointing any fingers), but much like the rest of Russian propaganda we don’t really need to either. The only limit is which lies the Russian people are willing to believe, and for once I actually want them to believe this one - or at least I want the Kremlin to believe they believe it.
Don’t care about the reason why. Just get out.
If they pull out under the pretense that Ukraine has been demilitarized, and Ukraine turns around and joins NATO, they have egg on their face. Any withdraw would still have to be predicated on assurances that Ukraine won’t join NATO, from Russia’s perspective, or they won’t be able to claim success.
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I don’t mind pretending Russia won if it means Pootin can get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Putin announced two goals: demilitarization and denazification. If demilitarization is complete they will complete denazification by removing Russian Army from all the occupied territories of Ukraine. Another job well done, Putin!
I wonder if the irony is lost on them?
Well, is this the beginning of “we have achieve the goals, bye”? Hope…
My guess is that they will declare the operation a success and end further advances, but without ceding the territory that they have won so far.
It’s not super clear to me how that works out. Ukraine has been pretty stable on, “All taken territory including Crimea back,” so do we move to a world where Belgorod Bob assures the people that myths of Ukrainian advance are totally false daily?
For all I care they can even hang a large “Mission Accomplished” banner from their
aircraft carrierheavy aircraft cruiserscrap-heap Kuznetsov.
“In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.”
So they’ve used up the old soviet weapons and now using modern western weapons.
As for supplying weapons. America is happy to. We are trying to give away tanks like they are kittens!
America doesn’t ‘give away’ weapons, Ukraine will pay for them eventually, just like Israel, SK, Taiwan, and the rest always do.
https://youtu.be/Qj9HD8MdAFs?t=918
Worth watching this for a couple minutes to get a better idea of how aid is being provided to Ukraine.
And can we stop giving tanks to that tank-lady that lives in the apartment down the hall? She barely takes care of the ones she has.
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Lol, sorry. I was joking on the notion of giving tanks away like kittens, and how there might be a tank-lady similar to the stereotype of a cat-lady that has way too many cats.
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They could argue is that they want to protect their IP or something. If that gives them a “win” so they leave then mission accomplished I say!
In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.
What a strange definition for demilitarization lol.
It’s so strange how they think they are demilitarising Ukraine when in reality they are actually demilitarising themselves
I’m sorry but that’s really really far from reality. What do they understand as demilitarization?
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Mission Accomplished
Yeah, when you see totally barmy stuff like this from Russian media it’s usually not particularly intended to convince people like you, it’s meant for internal consumption.
And by “demilitarise.” Do they mean they demilitarised themselves in Ukraine?
Mission Accomplished comrades, time to go home!
Kremlin: We have done a great job of removing all legacy equipment from the Ukrainian military
Kiev: All that old shit is in the trash and now we’ve got all this new fancy technology to shove up Putin’s ass. Bring it bitches
Kremlin: Er, ehm, that was the plan. But you cannot attack us, or it will be war. Hey NATO tell them they can’t attack us…please!
Kiev: Slava!
I wish Lemmy had an r/NonCredibleDefense equivalent.
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Be the change you want to see?
They rlly need to gtfo of Ukraine…
Congrats. So you can fuck off now, right?
Good, now they can go home.
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Time for a photo op with Putin and a big “Миссия выполнена” banner in the background.
